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it is well known that microsoft, beside producing sometimes  good products, is very good at 
lobbying with universities, governments and so on.  what I don't like is that institutions force 
people to use proprietary software and by licenses  (otherwise they don't accept dtat or files).  
Fortunately I can always produce and use pdf files.  by the way compatibility with .doc or .docx is 
already working well.

Going back fro Limux to Windows (in the case of Munich) was clearly a political decision, which 
damaged economically Munich and Germany and made employees angery:

nobody saw technical reasons.

fortunately there is a new important project giving great hopes:

I know the problem with pcs.  you can find some freedos models on amazon /but not only) or nuy from 
specialized enterprises (system76; KDE Slimbook;, some lenovo or intel nuc 

so, while there is a rise in the open source approach, you are right that main problem is building 
a strong extended network or community  (with some exceptions such as LibreOffice, Apache and so 

may be one action could be asking schools and universities and so on to allow people to use open 
data, .odt and so o on for their job.


On Monday, December 13, 2021, 03:11:48 PM GMT+1, Chris Whitworth <> 

My 4-pennyworth:
I have not used Microsoft for 20 years but the world does.  Almost no
academic publishers or conference organisers will accept .ODT etc.  So I
always have to test all my stuff out on malware!  And yes, I sometimes find
oddities in Microsoft documents which, I suspect are not safe (Chrome does
not like all these posts either- I have to retrieve some from spam).

My suggestion is that we try to build as large a community as we can,
whilst recognising that the majority will not join us.  It would help if we
could buy new PC's that were not already loaded with the Microxrap
operating system.  I went to at least 6 dealers here and could not persuade
any of them to sell me a blank system.  They all said that if I deleted W10
the warranty would be invalid.  The dirty tricks brigade are alive and

Over 20 years ago, my University could not afford Windose 2000 and were
ready to convert all their PC;s to Linux.  Then a helicopter landed,
unannounced and a gang of smarmy suited Americans decided to gatecrash the
ViceChancellors office.  (It is on video somewhere).  Magically, the Uni
then got a very good deal....  I believe Munich had similar issues.

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