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It may be easy to buy without Microcrap preloaded, where you are, but here
in Southern Poland they all said "nie ma".  To be honest, we dont need a
new bloatware system, I still use my old 486 occasionally!  It runs ubuntu
12 without issues and I use it as a picture frame and to surf the net  in
my "art studio",...... pretentious, moi?

Routinely I am using a 64 bit "Prodesk" HP I bought second hand from a
leasing recycler, for 400PLN (about 80 squid/Euros/dollars.  It came with
Windose 7 (I think) but the first thing I did was reformat the hard drive
for Linux with a USB stick.  It runs Mint 20 and is about 6 years old???  I
bought it this year.  My wife has Lubuntu on her HP (it looks identical to
me), bought from the same S/H shop 2 years ago.  We have dual screens and
20Mb internet.  Mostly we use them for proofreading/editing work  (I was a
Prof of business and a chemical engineer, Vicky a medical physics person)
-so we focus mainly on helping academics write good technical English.  We
dont use streaming video or watch Netwix etc.

We tell everybody to avoid bloatware but it is difficult.  Also Microcrap
seem to deliberately make their system break LibreOffice.  I did a "guest
prof" event last week and had a few minor issues with the Microcrap
system in the lecture theatre, using it to display my slides.  .

So,  I am happy to help create/run a community if the need is there

On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 at 20:38, Gudrun Dr. Schirmer <> wrote:

Good afternoon,

there are companies, which sell Windows free hardware. I am using a Tuxedo
Laptop. Although I must admit I am using it with W10 and Microsoft Office
365. But on the other hand, I am using an old Netbook, which run on W7,
Which I am using now with Ubuntu.

Removing an old Windows system does not generally remove the warranty. It
is easy too to buy hardware without any system. It is much cheaper.

I have no knowledge about the firmware though.

The issue in general is that most people want the ease of use and don┬┤t
see the consequences. (Very often I turn a blind eye too, as I want to move
easy through the information cloud to get what I want)
It is currently more time consuming to set up a system without Microsoft.
As long as the effort is not made early, in school f.e. young people will
not even know about open software. Only look at the efforts Microsoft makes
to set up systems in schools already, worldwide. Try local school open
software computer clubs. This would involve a lot of private effort. Now in
Corona times?
Munich tried to set up Linux in government offices, only to give up some
years later.

Warm regards


Dr. Gudrun Schirmer-Liyayi

-----Urspr├╝ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Ravi Dwivedi <>
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. Dezember 2021 19:34
An: Chris Whitworth <>;
Cc: Marketing list <>
Betreff: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're
different" part of new LibreOffice website

On 13/12/21 7:40 pm, Chris Whitworth wrote:

 > My suggestion is that we try to build as large a community as we can,
whilst recognising that the majority will not join us.  It would help if
we  > could buy new PC's that were not already loaded with the Microxrap  >
operating system.  I went to at least 6 dealers here and could not
persuade  > any of them to sell me a blank system.

 > They all said that if I deleted W10
 > the warranty would be invalid.

We need to have local businesses which can sell laptops powered by free
software. I use one prepared by a local vendor in India which can run
exclusively on free software(yes, without nonfree firmware too). I wrote
about it here We
can also fund startups like Purism(by buying their devices) which sell
hardware powered by free software.

 > The dirty tricks brigade are alive and  > well!

yes, so raising awareness about the freedom part becomes important. I
personally won't care if removing Windows from my laptop voids the warranty.

Ravi Dwivedi
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