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Thank you for that information Simon, I was not aware that they co-funded
the specification, that shows a strong level of commitment to me,  however
that would make sense as the announcement of support was made the same day
as the document foundation.

Since a default font is not mandated in ODF 1.3 from what I understand then
you can't criticise Microsoft for defaulting to their own proprietary and
widely used fonts. That is a consistency and business decision. And as a
business marketing by it's very nature is there to grow their own products.

If I am not mistaken there are metrically compatible FLOSS fonts that
replace the proprietary Microsoft fonts in almost all regards. I remember
Italo Vignoli wrote a very good article on this a while back. Do all of
these compatible fonts ship by default with LibreOffice and crucially are
the mappings set up that when a document calls, for example, Calibre the
corresponding FLOSS font is used? If I'm not mistaken this wasn't the case
as Italo shared his mappings used.

If it is not the case then simply enabling that mapping would appear to be
a a huge step forward in document interoperability.

Kind regards to all

On Wed, 8 Dec 2021, 23:57 Simon Phipps, <> wrote:

On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 10:34 PM James Harking <>

 I have to hand it to them their
adoption of the format was very quickly done after the Oasis ratification.

They participate in the ODF TC these days, and they co-funded the editing
of the 1.3 specification with TDF and afew others, so they are actively
tracking the standard. Most of the arguments against them on the topic are
related to more subtle incompatibilities such as default fonts (and their
metrics and IP regime), document management, encryption and their regional



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