Re: [libreoffice-marketing] US Journalist blames LibO for lost work

We need to have an auto-save function where it saves the file and not 
just the recovery info.

We can set it for every 5 minutes.  Then if there is a crash, say the 
whole computer, the person can still access the document as so as he/she 
can access the drive.  Sometimes the really large documents will take a  
slow10 count to save, but it would be worth it for those who can not 
afford to have a large document lost.

I have has problems with the recovery system before where it kept 
failing to recover it and I had to delete my user profile to get back to 
using the package.  That was in 3.3 and 3.4 days, but it could happen 
again if I was not as careful as I am now about deleting corrupted files 
that could not be saved.

Actually it would be good to save the files in a "native" format, or 
even the non-XML MSO formats.  It seems that the .docx format had its 
"kin" seems to be the ones with the most problems.

It will be interesting to see what MSO-2013 does with their version of 
ODF.  I wonder how it would be to get people to "market" LO and the 
"Internationally" recognized standard office formats - ODF - and see how 
well MSO will deal with it.  Get people use to using ODF and then export 
them to .doc and the other non-XML formats.  Then, if required, export 
them to the .docx and its kin of formats.

I keep telling people that there are problems with the .docx format[s] 
that gives rise to files created on the newer version package not 
working well with the older office packages.  If you would use the .doc 
format, then there would be no problems.  It will be even worse when 
MSO-2013 comes out.  So I tell then to use the older .doc format, etc., 
to make sure everyone in the document chain can use it properly.  After 
that I talk about using LO as a free alternative.  Get them using a 
format that does not cause all these problems, then get them to think 
about a free package when they need to install an office package to a 
new computer or upgrade an older system to newer packages.
.


On 12/13/2012 06:01 PM, Fridolin wrote:
> Hey guys,
>
> why not the following:
>
> an option in the LO defaults that automatically
> saves a document in LO format when it is saved
> in another format.... (for all documents...)
>
> or
>
> save into the document whether it should be saved
> in native as well as an alternative format, e.g. DOC.....
> (for a specific document.....)
>
> Fridolin
>
>
>
> On 14/12/12 09:53, Jean Weber wrote:
> > On 14/12/2012, at 5:09, "C. Olofson" <c.olofson@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Well;
> > >
> > > If this is considered 'best practices' or even 'good practice' the 
> > > software should be set, by default, to do it then. Currently, in 
> > > contrast, the Getting Started Guide (v3.5 p49) makes the choice of 
> > > using *either* format appear inconsequential:
> > > > If you routinely share documents with users of Microsoft Office, 
> > > > you might
> > > > want to change the Always save as attribute for documents to one of 
> > > > the Microsoft Office formats.
> >
> > At some point it says to keep a working copy in .ODT format, but that 
> > (and a comment about why) needs to be made more prominent and stated 
> > more strongly. I'll make sure the next iteration of the books (Writer 
> > Guide and others, not just Getting Started) does that.
> >
> > Having said that, I also agree with Craig's next paragraph.
> >
> > --Jean
> >
> > > For what it's worth, this is a classic case of a "crisis" for a 
> > > consumer goods company (i.e. s/w application publisher).  The 
> > > solution to this won't be found in providing helpful hints for the 
> > > next time.  It'll be found by being very responsive in providing 
> > > status and resolution in the same forums where the crisis is being 
> > > discussed by consumers.
> > >
> > > For example:
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_management#Examples_of_successful_crisis_management 
> > >
> > >
> > > -Craig
> > >
> > > On 12/13/2012 10:14 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
> > > > Hi :)
> > > > Jay's advice is pretty much the standard the Users List keep 
> > > > reiterating.  Keep an original in native format and if you have to 
> > > > share with others give them a Doc NOT a DocX
> > > >
> > > > I've lost count of how many times a wide range of different people 
> > > > have said that on the Users List.
> > > > Regards from
> > > > Tom :)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > From: Jay Lozier <jslozier@gmail.com>
> > > > > To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, 13 December 2012, 18:01
> > > > > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] US Journalist blames LibO for 
> > > > > lost work
> > > > >
> > > > > On 12/13/2012 12:18 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote:
> > > > > > On 12/13/12 6:17 PM, Jay Lozier wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Good question about document length and how was he saving. What 
> > > > > > > I read
> > > > > > > did not have enough details to know truly what happened.
> > > > > > Received both docs, unfortunately they are DOCX. Short doc, three 
> > > > > > pages,
> > > > > > seems to be a format problem and not a content problem (the DOCX is
> > > > > > damaged).
> > > > > As matter of good practice I always save or create as an ODF 
> > > > > document. If I need to send it as some other format then I use 
> > > > > Save As or File>>Export
> > > > >
> > > > > -- Jay Lozier
> > > > > jslozier@gmail.com


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