Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Glyn Moody's article

Hello Ian,

2011/10/18 Ian Lynch <ianrlynch@gmail.com>

> On 18 October 2011 09:15, Charles-H. Schulz <
> charles.schulz@documentfoundation.org> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > 2011/10/17 webmaster for Kracked Press Productions <
> > webmaster@krackedpress.com>
> >
> > > The big thing about "The Apache Way" is they want to own the code our
> > > volunteers have worked on for the past year.
> > >
> > > I wonder how many of these people are willing to hand over their
> > > copyrights?
> >
> > I don't think you have to hand over your copyrights at ASF; but the
> licence
> > allows anyone to take your contribution and turn it into proprietary
> > software.
>
> Which is a consideration everyone should take seriously. There is a clear
> philosophical issue there. On the other hand, if you want a standard like
> .odf to proliferate as widely as possible - a real goal for marketing...
>  Apple has spread the BSD code more than desktop GNU/Linux from all the
> distros.
>
> > Also, since there is a move to replace Java coding with Python coding as
> > > the code base is cleaned out of unneeded and "bad" coding.  Does that
> > mean
> > > that Apache's OOo project will not be able to us the code LO people
> > create,
> > > even if they will allow the code owners to keep their copyrights?
> >
> > There are two different questions, here, one about copyrights and the
> other
> > one about language. On copyright and licence the situation is clear: At
> > Apache you can't reuse our code legally as their licence does not allow
> it.
> >
>
> Well you can re-use the code, but not maintaining a copy left license.
>
>
> > One contributor here would have to specifically relicence its code back
> > into
> > Apache to make that work.
>
>
> Only one? I thought it would be several?


"One" being the theoretical example. It applies to the plural case as well.


> When it comes to language it's somewhat different.
> > I understand that the two codebases are growing more and more different
> and
> > it is a wrong idea to think that now, in the last quarter of 2011, you
> can
> > just "plug out and plug in" code chunks from and to each of the suites.
>  By
> > the way, AOO has not yet been released anyway.
>
> True, still quite a lot to do but with the number of people working on it,
> it's going to happen at some time.


It defintely will. I would even guess it'll be around Spring 2012.


> Most of the software listed is not enduser software, actually. In fact it
> is
> > interesting to note that Apache does not develop end-user software, and
> > Apache OpenOffice would be their first one.
>
> But what really matters is the developers working on the project and most
> of
> them have experience not only of developing end-user software, but OOo. The
> Apache structure is quite different from the old OOo organisation so it
> will
> take time to optimise in the new environment. The good thing is that it
> appears to be a lot more flexible so I'd say given time it will be an
> improvement rather than make things worse from a management point of view.
> Marketing is a bit of a void at the moment but there is work on that
> beginning.



Thank you Ian. Please do not take my following comment as a refusal to
discuss, but I'd like to keep this marketing list as a list for marketing
LibreOffice, and not as a general discussion list (but you can have this
discussion on discuss@, of course).

best,
Charles.



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