Re: [libreoffice-design] Bundled english fonts

On 10/11/2016 12:58 AM, Francisco Adrián Sánchez wrote:
> Hi Yussuf, all,

Hi Francisco,

> I'd like to help with this. I have already some opinions about it. I
> think that there are some of the fonts that are already bundled with
> LibreOffice that could be removed.

Totally agree we need to begin by removing fonts.

> I would for the approach of "2 serif fonts, 2 sans serif font, 1 or none
> mono". Adding more and not using them in templates we provide is just
> adding more bricks to the big wall of typefaces.

Keeping a minimal selection of useful/needed fonts is definitely 
important, but i wouldnt put such restrictions as only 2 of each time. 
LibreOffice not only promotes free document formats, but also the spread 
of free fonts.

> I really like Open Sans, but you already bundle Source Sans Pro and in
> more weights: Open Sans has a light, bold and extrabold versions and
> they were omitted. Also, there are at least 2 Impress templates based on
> Source Sans Pro. Thus, the 2 sans would be Liberation Sans & Source Sans
> Pro.

My suggestion, which is also the suggestion of Tomaz and Adolfo, is to 
replace Open Sans with Noto as it looks nearly identical and has large 
language support.

> I will explain why not Carlito: I'm against Carlito in its current
> state: there are some bugs regarding its transformation from Lato, which
> result in weird rendering. *And it's not because of the hinting* but
> because of the squeezing of Lato to match Calibri. Please, see these 2
> screenshots:
> http://s2.subirimagenes.com/imagen/9647191carloto-vs-lato-2.png
> http://s2.subirimagenes.com/imagen/9647190carloto-vs-lato-3.png
> It's the only problem I have found by
>
> Also, Caladea doesn't show this errors but it *lacks of greek and
> cyrilic support* (at least the versions bundled with LibreOffice). I
> emphasize this because the opposite is stated in the Docs sheet)

Just like Italo said, Carlito and Caladea are Microsoft compatibility 
fonts, which make them mandatory to keep document fidelity when opening 
on systems which dont have Microsoft proprietary formats. This is the 
same for the Liberation font family that we ship.

I'd recommend contacting google or the company who created the font to 
ask them to fix the issue, as unfortunately it isnt something we can do, 
unless one of the volunteer typrographers wants to take it on and we 
ship a modified version of Carlito.

> Furthermore, I don't see the point of bundling Gentium Basic _and_
> Gentium Book Basic. Besides, *it doesn't count with Greek nor Cyrillic
> support*... or at least, the versions bundled with LibO up to 5.3 alpha.
> Again, the opposite is stated in the Docs sheet.

I know Gentium Basic is available in Google Docs's font list combobox, 
so it must be a popular enough font that it would be listed their. 
Gentium Book Basic is just a slightly bolder version of Gentium Basic, 
so i would be in favour of removing it. If you look in the cell note on 
the sheet for their language support it says "website claims it has 
cyrillic and greek, but didnt see it in the font". :D But i decided to 
check their website now and there is a newer version of the font there 
but it doesnt have any additional glyphs.

> Then, between PT Serif and Linux Libertine, the last has a much more
> wider character support. So, in my opinion Liberation Serif and Linux
> Libertine should be enough for serif typefaces.

As Linux Libertine and its other related fonts take up nearly 50% of the 
space used by all the fonts, it definitely needs to go. PT Serif should 
likely be removed as it has very little language support and was likely 
added as a Serif for Open Sans.

> These are my 2 ¢

Thanks for your input. So i've opened a bug report with my thoughts on 
how i'd like to move forward with font selection, so you are welcome to 
give it a read and add your 2 cents there as well. :D

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103080

> Best Regards,
>
> Francisco

So i've

Regards,
Yousuf

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