Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-design] Ribbons and Background Color UX

Hi all,

I seem to have missed this mail ...

Am Sonntag, den 29.05.2011, 02:25 +0200 schrieb Bernhard Dippold:
> Hi Jay, all,
>
> planas schrieb:
> > Bernard
> >
> > On Thu, 2011-05-26 at 15:13 +0200, Bernhard Dippold wrote:
> >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > But we should avoid to discuss details like graphical approach, menu
> > > positioning and so on: The first thing to do is defining the functionality - form
> > > will follow function when we really know how it should work...
> > >
> > > [...]
> >
> > I think we should try to understand what MS was trying to do with the
> > ribbon and then examine how well it works and where it fails. More not
> > to inadvertently make the same mistake
>
> You are right, but I think the OpenOffice.org Renaissance team already 
> did this job (at least I think so, knowing some of the people having 
> worked in this area).

Short: Yes.

Long answer: Would be a really long answer ...


> Could you or someone else check out what they discussed and defined in 
> their wiki [1]? (you might search their mailing list [2] too, but there 
> are more than 1000 mails in the archive)
>
> If there is not enough information available, you might try to get more 
> insight from Microsoft directly, if this is publicly available.

So I propose to start watching the MX08 presentation by Jensen Harris
who led the Ribbon UI team - pretty amusing, although the underlying
issues are present (also within LibO).

Here is part 1 of 10 - please watch all parts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl9kD693ie4


> But this will probably take some time and effort - I don't know if this 
> time shouldn't be spent on tasks directly related to LibreOffice...

If we talk about improvements - everything is related to to LibreOffice.
And if we can learn from the past, then this is even better.

I can offer - and I'm sure the other OOo UX members will do this as well
- to summarize the corresponding discussions that happened. That
shouldn't be too difficult (but time consuming), since you know that I
was a Renaissance core team member.

But again - many ideas have been raised in the past, and many of those
ideas did not made it into the product for a variety of reasons. So
please lets work on some details first and - along the way - remove the
"reasons" to finally work on a better interaction concept.

Cheers,
Christoph


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