Re: [libreoffice-design] ligatures in the logo

I tried to edit the wiki on my phone, but it just wasn't working out.
Anyway...

My vote: Right.  I'm not crazy about the extended "f" crossbar or the
right-angle shape the crossbar makes with the "i".  I appreciate the effort
and hope this isn't the end of this conversation.  The logo should change as
the project does. I'm just not convinced this idea is ready for use quite
yet.
On Mar 4, 2011 12:52 PM, "Johannes Bausch" <johannes.bausch@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hey,
>
> okay, I've tried to set up a voting page for us, see here:
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Joey/Ligatures
>
> <http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Joey/Ligatures>Do you all have
> write access to this page? I am not that experienced with wikis.
>
> @Bernhard: I've shifted the i more to the left. I've also redone the
visual
> kerning for some of the letters; have a look at the scaled-down versions,
it
> "should" look more even now.
>
> @all: It would be great if you voted on the wiki or here on the mailing
> list. Even if you disapprove of this poll it would be great to get some
more
> opinions on this; so far it's only five people who talk about it.
>
> Thanks,
> Joey
>
> PS: I'll be away until Wednesday next week.
>
> 2011/3/2 Bernhard Dippold <bernhard@familie-dippold.at>
>
> > Hi Joey, all,
> >
> > replying to both of your mails, so please scroll down until the end...
> >
> > Johannes Bausch schrieb:
> >
> > > Hey,
> > >
> > > to gather some more opinions I thought it would be a good idea to have a
> > > poll somewhere else, so I asked people in a forum to cast their vote.
> > > Although I don't know whether this was a good idea (not really
> > > representative, game design forum, so people might be programmers) I
> > > thought
> > > you might be interested in the results:
> > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Poll.png
> >
> > It's impossible to see the different alternatives, because at my computer
> > the background is nearly black.
> >
> > Ii updated the image with a slightly lighter grey background, so you can
> > see the different alternatives, but keep the white text of the poll
results.
> > Apparently noone likes the
> > > too fancy ligatures. Most people also complained about the logo in
> > > general,
> > > so I tried to explain why this is (and remains, for now) the logo of
LibO.
> > > If you're interested in the comments, too, I'll send you the link.
> > > So... in the next days I'll make some final drafts and put up a voting
> > > page.
> > > If you have some final ideas please tell me.
> >
> > People seem to like the last alternative (with "f" bow bent towards the
"i"
> > dot) as much as the original.
> >
> > Even if this is far from being representative, I'd like to see a
finalized
> > version of this proposal.
> >
> > Could you improve this by moving the "i" nearer to the "f"? I don't think
> > that equal spacing for the dot between "f" and "i" looks best...
> >
> > Perhaps a combination of your third an my proposal?
> >
> > > Greetings,
> > > Joey
> > >
> > > 2011/3/2 Johannes Bausch<johannes.bausch@gmail.com>
> > >
> > > Hey Bernhard,
> > > > 2011/3/2 Bernhard Dippold<bernhard@familie-dippold.at>
> > > >
> > > > In your reply to my last mail I understood you in a way that you wanted
> > > > to
> > > >
> > > > > work on a new proposal.
> > > > >
> > > > > I added a third alternative (which I don't like very much). The logos
> > > > on my
> > > > page are only drafts; if we decide on one of them, I'll spend more time
> > > > on
> > > > it. At the moment I don't have another idea how to deal with the
ligature
> > > > -
> > > > do you? I'd be more than glad to try another one.
> > Like your poll members I like this proposal best, but it needs some more
> > tweaking (I mentioned above).
> >
> > I don't think that there are so many alternatives to modify the two "f"
and
> > the "i", so I don't have any other reliable alternative in mind.
> >
> > > > [...]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > But what we need to keep in mind: Changes being recognized by the
average
> > > > > user / viewer will more likely be postponed until a new major or minor
> > > > > version
> > > > > than modifications leading "only" to a more balanced, professional and
> > > > > consistent visual impression.
> > > > >
> > > > > +1, I agree.
> > In my eyes proposals (c) and (d) might fall in the "balanced" category,
> > while (a) and (b) would be more recognizable as modified details.
> >
> > Who has the final word on that?
> > > >
> > The SC, but they probably support a decision by the Design Team.
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Bernhard
> >
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