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[libreoffice-website] Wiki Discussion (Reboot)

Forwarding from the discuss@ list to the website@ list...

I like MediaWiki and use it extensively, including as an intranet wiki at my current workplace. I recognize it's the default choice because that's what OOo has been using and because it is well and widely-known.

However, it was not designed for the use-case of an intranet or project management wiki. People have written extensions and hacks to make it fit, and they've done a great job, but I feel it still falls a little short. Hence my recommendation that we look closely and compare the features offered by other engines. In my experience, the most complete is Foswiki, but we should be thorough and consider several, including MoinMoin (used for Ubuntu and Apache's wikis), DokuWiki, MediaWiki and others.

Foswiki: http://foswiki.org/
MoinMoin: http://moinmo.in/
DokuWiki: http://www.dokuwiki.org/
MediaWiki: http://www.mediawiki.org/

Wikipedia's list of wiki engines is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wiki_software

More broadly, I think we can better integrate the wiki and the main website than we have done before. Some projects use wikis for their entire websites, though that might not be ideal for LibreOffice. However, we could use the wiki for major sections of the site, and interlink the header back and forth between wiki and primary CMS to make it feel like one coherent site.

I'd like to suggest this mailing list work on the information architecture for the forthcoming project site and wiki, in parallel to our other threads investigating CMS and wiki platforms to build upon.


Begin forwarded message:

> From: Christoph Noack <christoph.noack@documentfoundation.org>
> Date: October 6, 2010 4:54:40 PM EDT
> To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
> Subject: Move and ... Re: [tdf-discuss] [WEBSITE] Improvements for the wiki?
> Reply-To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
> Hi Benjamin, all,
> thanks for your kind offer! But before I continue - many of you may have
> noticed that we know have some dedicated website mailing list. It is
> meant for coordination of all the web presence stuff like the Website,
> the Wiki, the Planet, ... So I propose to continue our discussion there,
> once all the interested people are subscribed. You
> http://www.documentfoundation.org/contact/
> Am Dienstag, den 05.10.2010, 20:03 -0400 schrieb Benjamin Horst:
>> Clearly, multilingual support will be very important to a successful
>> wiki. Will we have pages generated in one language and then translated
>> to others, or do we expect unique pages to be developed in lots of
>> languages? My guess is that we need to support both--core content will
>> be translated and mirrored in many languages, while certain content
>> (especially local projects, for example) will generate new unique
>> content in their languages.
>> I've investigated briefly and found this possible approach to the
>> problem: http://foswiki.org/Extensions/TopicTranslationsPlugin
> I talked with the current "he does a lot of things at the same
> time"-admin and it seems that he proposes MediaWiki. So I asked him for
> resolving the language issue ... and there are two answers at the
> moment:
> a) If we are fine with an English only / mixed language wiki, then we
> might get a wiki tomorrow.
> b) If we require to handle the language thing in a nice way, then some
> more preparations are required that will need a bit more time.
> Concerning the latter, I had a look how Wikipedia handles that ... this
> seems good to me. As far as I understood, there is a need for a "Wiki
> family" that can inter-link several wikis. Each of the wikis is then
> accessible via an own sub-domain ... the search will work fine, and
> resources like images could be shared.
> That is what I (a less technical guy) understands ... Is there anybody
> (on this list) who has some experience with that? :-)
>> I also strongly support Regina's earlier points, especially regarding
>> the licensing of content community members add. That may be something
>> to add to the footer of each page in the wiki.
> Absolutely! We are really aware of that, since the license is important
> if we want to share our work ...
> [...]
>>> Just a question: Do you expect news to be in the Wiki, or on the rather
>>> website? Or both?
>> I'd like us to consider using the wiki for the website, or at least
>> for a large part of it. (My comment above, "why not use the wiki for
>> the main part of the site..." was meant to convey that idea.)
> Ahh, okay. Since we don't have a dedicated website for LibreOffice yet,
> this would be more than fine. Still, I do like the front page of the
> Fedora Wiki very much (hint hint *g*).
>> Regardless of whether we decide on using the wiki for the main site, I
>> think a strong case can be made to use it to manage our News page. (I
>> would not recommend duplicating content, News or other, on both the
>> wiki and separately elsewhere on the site. We should ultimately choose
>> just one location, wherever it is.)
> Agreed :-)
> Cheers,
> Christoph
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