Re: [libreoffice-website] What's the official policy about the LibO website: Drupal or no Drupal?

Hi Michael,
On 14/12/2010 08:49, Michael Wheatland wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Sophie Gautier
> <gautier.sophie@gmail.com>  wrote:
> > There is already forum that exist and they use phpBB technology for some or
> > may be most of them. Drew has the knowledge here.
> > For the French speaking one, it will be linked on our support page once the
> > final version is announced because the admins and moderators don't want to
> > provide supports on dev versions. I don't know if they have been asked, but
> > I'm not really sure they will accept to migrate on a Drupal tool when they
> > seems very happy with the technology they are currently using (and they have
> > choose). There might be also an issue on migrating the existing database,
> > not sure it's worth the cost.
>
> There is a clear benefit of having a forum, as there are clearly a lot
> of people who prefer not to use mailing lists.

Yes, of corse, this is why they already exists in several languages. 
Again this community is not born yesterday and has already settled 
several ways of work and support for their users. Did you already visit 
the different forums in the Italian, German, Japanese,... language 
projects? Have a look and ask you the question what should they change 
their tool, what will that bring to the community?

> I would suggest that deliberately separating a language team from the
> main community is counter productive to one of the reasons that
> LibreOffice was formed, to unite the community across all languages.

It is how our community works and has always work. Why again should you 
tell people how they have to work, when they are already organized and 
it has proven that it was the way to go for them. LibreOffice was 
created to solve a governance issue, not a tool issue. A tool is not a 
community.
> When the Drupal site has been created I am sure the French speaking
> team can make the assessment, and if decided so, migration from phpBB
> to Drupal is quite simple.

That will be to each language forum to choose what they want. Even 
though they chose to stay with the tool they are use to, they still will 
be part of the community.
And we are not going to duplicate the resources by settling different 
tools to serve the same purpose.

Please again consider that this community exists since several years, is 
organized, structured, used to work together. The tool is not the 
community. So don't force them to use a tool if they don't want to, 
don't force them to comply to a structure that do not speaks to their 
language or their culture.

We are not all on the same model, we are not the Mozilla, the Ubuntu 
community or the Gnome one. We have a 10 years story behind us, let us 
build on this, not start again as if nothing has been done. Look what 
happened the last week-end, how many languages have been updated by 
their team, isn't it a very beautiful community working together with 
the developers?

I hope you understand my point and don't get it against your work or 
Drupal.
Again it is very important that every body is assured that there is no 
obligation for them to comply to a tool or another, it is not a matter 
of tool, but a matter of work that has to be done to build a product and 
its project. For that we need tools that's true, but if they are already 
existent, used, etc, they should not be changed.

Kind regards
Sophie
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Founding member of The Document Foundation

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