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Hi :)
A lot of normal users see the normal menu and icon-bar as being old and
arrive at the conclusion that LibreOffice is old.

The 'new' ribbon-bar / Notebookbar will probably help reduce barriers to
migrating people away from MS Office.  It prolly needs a lot more polish
because it's the first appearance of this feature.  I've still not seen it
myself so i'm just guessing.

The ribbon-bar in MS Office also does nothing to make it easier to use and
several iterations of it have just made it harder to figure-out where
things might be.  It also seems to reduce the amount of space for the
document itself.  However it looks shiny and glossy and kinda new so a lot
of people prefer it and think the clunkiness is their own fault for not
having learnt how to use MS Office more profficiently.

Personally i prefer normal menus because if i click on the wrong one i can
just slide the mouse arrow along to open each menu in turn.  Sometimes
something unexpected catches my eye and i maybe give it a try one day so it
helps me learn too.  The ribbon-bar doesn't allow for such exploration.

So i am glad the Notepadbar exists and i hope to try it and show it off as
soon as i can put Facebook aside for a moment!
Regards from
a Tom :)

On 6 July 2018 at 08:21, M Henri Day <> wrote:

Den tors 5 juli 2018 kl 14:39 skrev Philip Jackson <>:

I tried the Notebookbar after looking at the Fedora article. It worked
just as advertised and I managed to return to default using the '3 small
horizontal lines' icon on the rhs of the ribbon.  I was using LO
(I think)

I wasn't impressed by the Notebookbar - it seems to be variations on a
theme started by MS some years ago and immediately followed by some
other software houses just like it was the fashion of the day. The
introduction of the ribbon by Avid Sibelius raised howls of protest from
the veteran users of Sibelius - but that's just because we're mostly
very conservative and don't like change.

Yesterday, I upgraded LO to and took the opportunity to recheck
Notebookbar. Out of the 6 variants, the first 2 'Contextual Groups' and
'Contextual Simple' don't show the little icon. The next 2 variants,
'Tabbed' and 'Tabbed Compact' do show the icon.

The last two, 'Grouped bar full' and 'Group bar compact' don't show the
icon BUT they do have an item at the far right called 'Menu' which has a
drop down which allows you to toggle on the Menu Bar  - and to select
the different variants of Notebookbar.

The number of combinations seem to be numerous. I may have missed a
combination but it seemed to me that although I could turn off the
regular MenuBar in the Grouped Bar full and compact variants, it still
appeared in the 2 tabbed variants.

This ribbon seems good to pass away a few spare minutes. For a new user,
it may provide something of interest but I think I'll stay with the old
menu bar.



Agree with Philip above about retaining the old toolbar layout - one could,
of course, learn the «ribbon»​, but why bother - especially when it is more
complicated to use and doesn't seem to provide any advantages. But I do
think it's worthwhile experimenting with and it's easy to get back to the
default toolbar layout, så long as the menubar is shown (which it is by
defautl ; if one doesn't see it in the ribbon view, click the settings icon
(the three horizontal lines) at the upper right and check the alternative))
just click there on View → Toolbar Layout and choose Default....


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