Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Fedora Magazine article about LibreOffice

Hi :)
A lot of normal users see the normal menu and icon-bar as being old and
arrive at the conclusion that LibreOffice is old.

The 'new' ribbon-bar / Notebookbar will probably help reduce barriers to
migrating people away from MS Office.  It prolly needs a lot more polish
because it's the first appearance of this feature.  I've still not seen it
myself so i'm just guessing.

The ribbon-bar in MS Office also does nothing to make it easier to use and
several iterations of it have just made it harder to figure-out where
things might be.  It also seems to reduce the amount of space for the
document itself.  However it looks shiny and glossy and kinda new so a lot
of people prefer it and think the clunkiness is their own fault for not
having learnt how to use MS Office more profficiently.

Personally i prefer normal menus because if i click on the wrong one i can
just slide the mouse arrow along to open each menu in turn.  Sometimes
something unexpected catches my eye and i maybe give it a try one day so it
helps me learn too.  The ribbon-bar doesn't allow for such exploration.

So i am glad the Notepadbar exists and i hope to try it and show it off as
soon as i can put Facebook aside for a moment!
Regards from
a Tom :)






On 6 July 2018 at 08:21, M Henri Day <mhenriday@gmail.com> wrote:

> Den tors 5 juli 2018 kl 14:39 skrev Philip Jackson <
> philip.jackson@nordnet.fr>:
>
> > I tried the Notebookbar after looking at the Fedora article. It worked
> > just as advertised and I managed to return to default using the '3 small
> > horizontal lines' icon on the rhs of the ribbon.  I was using LO 6.0.0.2
> > (I think)
> >
> > I wasn't impressed by the Notebookbar - it seems to be variations on a
> > theme started by MS some years ago and immediately followed by some
> > other software houses just like it was the fashion of the day. The
> > introduction of the ribbon by Avid Sibelius raised howls of protest from
> > the veteran users of Sibelius - but that's just because we're mostly
> > very conservative and don't like change.
> >
> > Yesterday, I upgraded LO to 6.0.5.2 and took the opportunity to recheck
> > Notebookbar. Out of the 6 variants, the first 2 'Contextual Groups' and
> > 'Contextual Simple' don't show the little icon. The next 2 variants,
> > 'Tabbed' and 'Tabbed Compact' do show the icon.
> >
> > The last two, 'Grouped bar full' and 'Group bar compact' don't show the
> > icon BUT they do have an item at the far right called 'Menu' which has a
> > drop down which allows you to toggle on the Menu Bar  - and to select
> > the different variants of Notebookbar.
> >
> > The number of combinations seem to be numerous. I may have missed a
> > combination but it seemed to me that although I could turn off the
> > regular MenuBar in the Grouped Bar full and compact variants, it still
> > appeared in the 2 tabbed variants.
> >
> > This ribbon seems good to pass away a few spare minutes. For a new user,
> > it may provide something of interest but I think I'll stay with the old
> > menu bar.
> >
> > Philip
>
>
> ​<snip>
>
> Agree with Philip above about retaining the old toolbar layout - one could,
> of course, learn the «ribbon»​, but why bother - especially when it is more
> complicated to use and doesn't seem to provide any advantages. But I do
> think it's worthwhile experimenting with and it's easy to get back to the
> default toolbar layout, så long as the menubar is shown (which it is by
> defautl ; if one doesn't see it in the ribbon view, click the settings icon
> (the three horizontal lines) at the upper right and check the alternative))
> just click there on View → Toolbar Layout and choose Default....
>
> Henri
>
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