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Looking at this again, when all the settings are set to "true" both the
default toolbar and the notebook toolbars are there, which sort of negates
the point of having the notebook bar.  Presumably the "falses" are there so
that the default and notebook toolbars are alternatives except that it
don't work that way.  I am still puzzled by the comment in the article that
there is a button in the top right-hand corner when the notebook toolbar is
used which enables one to get back to the default toolbar.  There is indeed
a button there, but it doesn't appear to do anything.  I wonder if there
isn't a switch somewhere that needs to be set to turn this on.


On Thu, 5 Jul 2018 at 08:41, Graham Luffrum <> wrote:

Thanks for this.  I tried it and got back to the default menu bar.


On Wed, 4 Jul 2018 at 22:50, Virgil Arrington <>

On 07/04/2018 11:47 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
Hi :)
Ok, last email on this for a while!

This wiki-page seems to be about the feature but i couldn't see any
of ohw to switch it off
but prolly because i only skimmed it
Regards from
a Tom :)

I just tried it, too, and had the same problem of switching off the

I found that there is more than one option for notebookbar. Some of them
allow you to retain the normal menu bar, but other do not. In my
experimentation, I clicked on one of the options that does *not* retain
the menu bar. Without the menu bar I was left only with the notebookbar
options and none of them included a way to get rid of it or get back to

I was in Impress at the time. I tried opening up Writer, which came up
with the standard menu/toolbar. I then clicked on "Tools", "Options",
"Advanced", and un-checked the box to allow experimental features. I
then saved my choice, closed LO and reopened it. However, when I
reopened Impress, I was still faced with the Notebookbar even though I
had unchecked the experimental features. I was afraid I was going to
have to rename my configuration folder, which I really didn't want to do.

So, then I clicked on "Tools", "Options", "Advanced" and then clicked on
"Open Expert Configuration." I am no expert and had never clicked on
this before, but stay with me on this.

When the expert configuration popped up, I did a search for
"notebookbar". From within the results of the search, I scrolled down to
see, "org.openoffice.Office.UI.Notebookbar:Application["Impress"]" Below
that line were various preferences that could be changed. I looked in
the "Property" column and found several that read "HasMenubar". Some
said "true" for the value, but most said "false". I took the "true"
value to mean that the menu bar would be available with those particular
notebookbars. So I clicked on every preference line that read
"HasMenubar" so that its value switched to "true".

After doing that, I pressed OK and restarted LO. This time, when I
opened Impress, I was again faced with the NoteBookbar, but the normal
menu bar was also available. I was then able to go into "View", "Toolbar
Layout" and turn off the notebookbar.

So much for trying experimental functions.

I will say that, while I was playing with the notebookbar, I didn't see
any real advantage to it. Under the default menu/toolbar system, the
user can find all functions through the menu and then use toolbars for
single-click shortcuts. With the notebookbar (like MS's Ribbon) the
menus and toolbars are combined, meaning that, for many of the
functions, one must use multiple clicks through tabs and options within
tabs to find the desired function. It certainly isn't any faster than
the old-style system, although I imagine that, over time, I could grow
to appreciate the organization of it.


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