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Hi :)

I think it is important for us to keep raising awareness of "migration
rather than switching" or "evolution rather than revolution".

To be fair to that sort of technical 'support' they have to just follow
orders and they don't want to get caught in a scenario where they are
trying to maintain and support 2 different systems.

On the other hand just leaving MS Office on a system is easier than
removing it and it will crumble away on it's own.  It is a security risk
and will have it's own wobbly moments but those will encourage people to
move increasingly to the better, newer system.

Also i think we have a duty to resist "just following orders" although that
is not always possible.  I've heard many stories of tech-support people
quietly letting a machine's user know how to access something they
shouldn't and asking them to keep it quiet.  I've used the "oops i forgot"
excuse a few times but that rarely works out well.

I've generally found tech support to be arogant a*$3h0l3s until i started
meeting people who also support non-MS systems.
Regards from
a Tom :)

On 1 May 2018 at 01:16, Virgil Arrington <> wrote:

Of course you're right from a technological standpoint, but in our
situation, the IT staff came in over the weekend and literally deleted
WordPerfect from everyones' computers, along with all our macros, etc. and
installed MSO. We all arrived on Monday to a big surprise. One secretary
was so angry she left and didn't come back for several days.

So, there's technological forcing and then there's political forcing.


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-------- Original message --------
From: Tom Davies <>
Date: 4/30/18 7:37 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Virgil Arrington <>
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users
Group [Facebook]?

Hi :)
Switching is painful.  It's the MS way.

It's difficult to have 2 versions of MSO running on one system - but it's
easy to install LibreOffice alongside MS Office.

So it's easier to migrate gradually, at your own pace, from MS Office to
LibreOffice.  You are not forced to lose access to the system you are
familiar with when moving to a FOSS system.

Regards from
a Tom :)

On 30 April 2018 at 22:14, Virgil Arrington <> wrote:

On 04/30/2018 03:02 PM, Tim-L wrote:
I started this thread with the notice of someone on a Facebook post
wondering how to default to saving to MS Word format.

Yes, a "crusade" to get schools to make the switch to Open Document
Formats should be looked into.  But that is not what was implied in
the thread I originally talked about.

I was only responding to the suggestion that the problem you were trying
to solve -- how to default to an MSO format -- was misdirected, when the
"real problem" was that schools use MSO rather than LO. When all I need
to do is get a final exam to my students in the next two days, I don't
have time for FOSS crusades.

I recall back in the day, the mantra of IT managers was that, nobody
ever got fired for buying IBM. I suspect a similar attitude exists today
with MSO.

I remember  many, many years ago when the government office where I
worked switched from WordPerfect to MS Word. The outcry from the
proficient WordPerfect users was deafening.

I can only imagine the mutiny that might result if a major institution
announced that it was switching all of its computers from the familiar
MSO to LibreOffice. Now, I love LO as much as the next FOSS user, but
that love has come from constant use since the days when it was
StarOffice. I have invested the time to learn the program and customize
it for my use with styles, templates, etc. I wouldn't fault an MSO user
from feeling completely ambushed if his employer were to declare that he
had to switch to LO.


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