Re: [libreoffice-users] Writing large or complex documents

I used to have this problem frequently in LO 3 or 4 or 2.4 (a while 
ago). My documents are typically 10 - 50 pages, many illustrations/images.
All types of wrapping, images next to images, images next to tables. 
Images with draw objects (lines and arrows) to tables.
My documents have not changed but I must be working differently, 
anticipating the problem, as this rarely happens now.

I put most of the problems down to the way LO handles anchoring. Way 
back when I was using Smartsuite on OS/2 images, etc. had anchors that 
you could move.
In LO the anchoring is random (technically probably not random), you 
cannot anchor an image to a paragraph or a character. You can anchor to 
paragraph or to character but LO decides which one and where and this 
can be really random. You can move the anchor, but it doesn't stay where 
you put it. Sometimes this anchor goes all over the place, try placing 
an image next to a table and watch the anchor move into the table and 
out again as you adjust position.

My supposition is that LO gets lost in its attempt to find new anchor 
points at times when the document flows, rather than using anchored 
anchor points. I.e. place an image next to a table and anchor to the 
paragraph above the table (description) or below the table (table 
title). Then try and anchor the draw object to the same paragraph that 
positions the image.

In the above example I will anchor to page and have no problems, 
sometimes I have to adjust position manually when the test flows but it 
avoids the issues of the complete reformat when an image rolls over to a 
new page and LO can't decide where to anchor it. Other cases I anchor as 
character or to character.

I am not sure how you could put this in an instruction, be aware of 
issues and adjust your work methods accordingly.

steve

On 2016-09-09 05:32, Paul D. Mirowsky wrote:
> This whole thing has the feel on none linear functions gone 
> out-of-order wrong.
>
> That is to say, there are two or more functions that can apply to 
> organize placement of images within a document.
>
> Initially, they start at the same time, within the tolerance of the 
> processor/motherboard. The more they function, the more they get out 
> of sync until it can't complete in the way we wish, but do complete as 
> a process.
>
> Some get less failure and others get more.
>
> What is the order of priority and how does it restart on failure? Does 
> one wait before doing another?
>
> Any thoughts?
>
>
>
> On 9/8/2016 12:59 PM, Bo Siltberg wrote:
> > I too have that book on the reading list, it's been there for too 
> > long now..
> >
> > As I show in the other thread, the image problem does not seem to be
> > (solely) related to "large" documents as I could reproduce one kind of
> > error in a one-page document.
> >
> > Otherwise I guess a document can be as large as it need to be and 
> > still be
> > manageable. There is for example a difference in need between a book
> > written from top to bottom and a large technical specification which is
> > updated here and there and that contains internal references back and
> > forth. It was quite some time since I evaluated the master document
> > function, maybe it has evolved now to handle navigation and references
> > better than in the past?
> >
> >
> > 2016-09-08 16:51 GMT+02:00 Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster <
> > webmaster@krackedpress.com>:
> >
> > > On 09/07/2016 11:02 PM, Bruce Byfield wrote:
> > >
> > > > On September 8, 2016 01:40:46 AM Wiebe van der Worp wrote:
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > > You might also want to take the time to download my book (which is 
> > > > free)
> > > > and ready the chapter on frames. It represents my best thinking on 
> > > > this
> > > > problem, offering two different approaches, neither of which is
> > > > completely satisfactory:
> > > >
> > > > http://designingwithlibreoffice.com/download-buy/
> > > >
> > > > On the whole, the table solution is the most flexible, but having lots
> > > > of tables does increase the file size.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks fro the reminder of the book link.
> > > I downloaded it and forgot about it.  I have not had a chance to do 
> > > more
> > > than a fast look through.
> > >
> > > Thanks for your work on this book, as well.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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