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The fresh branch is stable enough for everyone to use. LibreOffice does
not pilot planes, it does not usually crash, it does the job. There are
people who want newer features and people who want more tested
versions. There's food for everyone.

Now: if you have ideas for new names, etc. you are welcome to
contribute to our marketing team.



Le Wed, 6 Aug 2014 20:07:41 +0200,
Paul <> a écrit :

Just to add another point... (see inline)

On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 20:04:56 +0200
Paul <> wrote:

On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 19:01:19 +0200
Florian Reisinger <> wrote:

Hi Tom,

If we do not find the bugs in the fresh version, they won't be
resolved until the rename to Stable/Still. If less use Fresh, the
quality of the next stable will be lower.... Does this help?

That is true, but it still seems dangerous to push new users towards
Fresh. If users start with Stable, then, after learning that it is
stable, are pushed towards Fresh to get newer features, then the
ones who want stability won't move across and will be happy, and
the ones who want new features will move, knowing there is
stability to fall back on, and so will also be happy. Should they
find that everything works, they will be happy with new features,
and should they find instability, they will be happy to fall back
on the stable version, knowing that they had taken a *slight* risk.

Conversely, if you push all new people to Fresh, any who find no
bugs will be happy, but any that find bugs will have the impression
that LO is buggy and unstable, and won't necessarily know about
Stable to fall back on. Those that are told about Stable will
undoubtedly grumble about the fact that they should have been told
about it in the first place.

I'm not saying that this is a simple matter, just that in my opinion
it is far better to offer the Stable branch as the default install,
and urge users to try out the Fresh branch when they start asking
about features. Once they've gotten as far as asking about features,
they're already far enough in the process to get help should there
be any unexpected problems with Fresh. 

They're also far enough along in the process to offer bug reports...

Also, giving proper explanations
(well, proper brief explanations with a link to a more detailed
explanation) on the download page lets new users evaluate the choice
themselves, and that way they are less likely to be angry when
caught out by something.

There should still be enough users of Fresh in this scenario to
allow for the needed user testing.


Liebe Grüße, / Yours,
Florian Reisinger

Am 06.08.2014 um 11:17 schrieb Tom Davies <>:

Hi :)  
This seems to be contradicting what Charles is saying. 

Also is it really a good policy to force new and unwitting users
to act as guinea-pigs?  Should all new users be pushed into
finding and fixing bugs?  Would it really be bad to give them a
clear and easy route to a less buggy version? Regards from
Tom :)  

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