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Unfortunately, I don't know what causes the problem and, thus, I can't recreate it.

I am trying something now. I brought it up, updated a record but did not save it (I have a saved copy someplace else). I intend to let it be up overnight and check in the morning for the files. I had already cleared out all of the empty ones. I noted the time I brought is up and made the change.

I want to see if it reoccurs. if so, then when. I also intend to save it and close it in the morning. If the files are there, see if the creation stops. Hopefully, this will lead to why it is happening.

On another tangent, I had lost data and had to recreate the db. During that process, I read a few things indicating that using HSQL could lead to losing data. The recommendation was to use an external db. I spent several weeks last year trying to get Mysql to work. I followed the conversion guidelines that I had found but was unable to get it to work. I created the Mysql database and was able to create and load the tables (I think) but I could never get Base to recognize and use it. All of my queries and reports are in Base. I may have to try again if I can find the time. This time I will record what I install and what I do.

Vince Radice

On 01/15/2014 11:46 AM, Alex Kempshall wrote:
Having said all that. It would appear that I've never had  auto backup switched on.

Having switched it on I now see backups and autobackups for writer and calc documents. Nothing at 
all for base documents.


On Wednesday 15 Jan 2014 14:35:33 Alex McMurchy wrote:
I used to have that problem. It seems to have stopped around about 16th July 2013. Not sure why!

Either -

I upgraded LibreOffice which stopped the feature
or I did something else which I can't remember!

I'm currently on


On Wednesday 15 Jan 2014 07:38:25 Tom Davies wrote:
Hi :)
Errr, is it possible to switch the auto-save and auto-backups off for
a while and see if that improves things?  The thing i find difficult
about doing that is remembering to save properly and frequently
enough.  With Base i think it's also important to close properly.

There is some documentation and a handbook at
and the Faq at
might be able to help too but the best place seems to be this mailing
list or the Base forums at Apache OpenOffice.
Regards from
Tom :)

On 15 January 2014 07:30, Tom Davies <> wrote:
Hi :)
Errr, are you using the internal back-end?  You haven't connected to
an external back-end have you?  You should really be keeping your data
in an external back-end instead of having the whole database as a
single file.

Being able to do that is one of the main things that makes Base so
much more powerful than Access.  The internal back-end got tacked on
to make Base more familiar to people who have picked up bad habits by
using Access.  It seems to be a bit broken though.  Annoyingly the
Marketing Mailing List and all our flyers, posters and leaflets (at
least all the ones that mention Base at all) keep pushing people into
using the internal back-end despite the fact that users have even
experienced data-loss by doing so.  I'm tempted to ask you to take
this problem to the marketing list to get them to solve it but the
experts in Base are mostly on this list and will hopefully be able to
help with this issue.

It should be possible to export your existing tables into an external
back-end and this mailing list (note, not the marketing list) might be
able to help you with that.

The next smart thing about Base is that forms and reports can be, and
are best made in Writer or/and (i think) Calc.  So normal users who
are clueless about databases can read the data in a familiar setting
and use familiar tools to format and edit things around the
data-fields.  The forms and reports inside Base seem to be for
data-entry and people who have some clue about databases.

However i have never quite got around to getting to grips with all
this.  So hopefully some of the experts might wade in and set me
straight (again)
Regards from
Tom :)

On 15 January 2014 05:57, Vince Radice <> wrote:
I am running Fedora FC19-64 bit. Libreoffice Version:
Build ID:

Here are some lines of a ls -la command

-rw-------.  1 vince root       0 Dec 13 13:10 GRNew odb_0.odb
-rw-------.  1 vince root       0 Dec 13 15:58 GRNew odb_1000.odb
-rw-------.  1 vince root       0 Dec 13 15:58 GRNew odb_1001.odb
-rw-------.  1 vince root       0 Dec 13 15:58 GRNew odb_1002.odb
-rw-------.  1 vince root       0 Dec 13 15:58 GRNew odb_1003.odb
-rw-------.  1 vince root       0 Dec 13 15:58 GRNew odb_1004.odb
-rw-------.  1 vince root       0 Dec 13 15:58 GRNew odb_1005.odb
-rw-------.  1 vince root       0 Dec 13 15:59 GRNew odb_1006.odb
-rw-------.  1 vince root       0 Dec 13 15:59 GRNew odb_1007.odb
-rw-------.  1 vince root       0 Dec 13 15:59 GRNew odb_1008.odb
-rw-------.  1 vince root       0 Dec 13 15:59 GRNew odb_1009.odb
-rw-------.  1 vince root       0 Dec 13 13:26 GRNew odb_100.odb
-rw-------.  1 vince root       0 Dec 13 15:59 GRNew odb_1010.odb

My database name is GRNew,odb.
I was looking at some of the recent messages that were talking about LO
looping saving backups of untitled documents.  It mentioned Calc and Write
as being involved.  Could this be related to my problem?

Vince Radice

On 01/14/2014 12:44 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
Hi :)
On Ubuntu 12.04 i have no files in there.  Do the file-names start
with a ~ or with "lock"?  In either of those cases i think you can
delete the files without worry but it might be worth testing that for
1 or 2 files.

Going off on a tangent i do have a non-LibreOffice folder with a load
of crash reports from when i don't close Xbmc properly and i routinely
delete all of them from time-to-time.  I'm not sure if this is similar
or not.
Regards from
Tom :)

On 14 January 2014 04:12, Vince Radice <> wrote:
I am seeing something and I don't know if it is a problem or something I
have to live with.

In the ~/.config/libreoffice/4/user/backup  directory, I have 3,000+
with 0 bytes.  I assume that this means the files are empty. There are
files there which are not empty.  The non-empty ones appear to be backups
files I have worked on.  The empty files all appear to be attempts to
a Base database that I have created using the built in hsql engine.  The
file is stored on my computer. The time stamps on the files are unusual.
There are 6 files with a time stamp of 15:58, 6 with 15:59, 6 with 16:00
the pattern continues for the other 3,500 empty files.

Does any one else have the same situation?  I have the save/backup time
the general options set to 15 minutes.

I have a listing of all of the files if anyone wants to see it.

Thank you,
Vince Radice

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