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On Sat, 7 Sep 2013 10:55:55 -0700
Bruce Byfield <> dijo:

On Friday 06 September 2013 10:47:49 PM John Jason Jordan wrote:
On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 20:18:34 -0700

Bruce Byfield <> dijo:
For now, I'll just say that Writer is not a word processor so much
as an intermediate desktop publishing program. You can actually
substitute it very successfully for proprietary tools like

That is correct, but bear in mind that FrameMaker, like Writer or
TeX, is not a page layout application like Scribus, InDesign,
QuarkXPress or PageMaker, inter alia.

FrameMaker is (or used to be) an industry-standard for producing
printed material, such as technical manuals. It's a specialized tool,
designed to produce text-oriented documents.

Again, you are correct, but missed the point I was trying to make.
Perhaps I should state it more clearly.

In Writer, FrameMaker and the TeX family, a document consists of a
continuous stream of text. If you insert additional text at the
beginning, all the text moves down, including the creation of new pages
at the end if necessary.

The other applications I mentioned are "page layout" applications. In a
page layout application each page is a container. Everything that goes
on a page goes into a graphics or a text frame. The frames never
automatically move, regardless of how much stuff you add stuff to them.
For text to flow from one page to the next there must be successive
frames on the pages and the frames must be linked. You can drag frames
around, create new ones, change the size and shape, but a frame always
stays precisely where you put it on a page. You can link text frames
that are pages apart - think of a magazine where a story begins toward
the front of the magazine, runs for a couple of pages, and then you see
"continued on page x."

If you're doing a document that is essentially just text - a novel,
dissertation, academic paper, etc. - then the continuous text type of
application will probably work best. If you're doing something that is
design intensive - a newsletter, brochure, flier, advertising piece -
then the page layout application will make life much easier. 

The two kinds of applications have fundamentally different approaches,
and that is the point I was trying to make.

And I should add that FrameMaker, of all the applications mentioned is,
in some respects, kind of a hybrid. 

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