[libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles

Hi, Stuart,

I hope my manual reformatting of your reply works out.  Most of the 
time, there's a failure somewhere down the road.  :-(  You are the 2nd 
poster whose messages display correctly, but do not format correctly 
when using the Reply/Followup option in Thunderbird.  I do not know 
where the fault lays.

On 5/5/13 10:58 AM, V Stuart Foote wrote:
> > From: Ken Springer [snowshed1@q.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 7:49 AM
> > To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> > Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles
> >
> > https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44871
> > https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46986
> >
> > Will wonders never cease... The first one has been assigned to someone.
>
> Actually,  FDO bug 44871 has been "assigned" since the date it was submitted
> during QA bug triage.  But that means exactly squat since Cedric did not
>  assign himself (indicating he accepted and was working on it).
> Assignment is just not a tool that has a lot of meaning in the LibreOffice project
> (and most other FOSS) because, as has been mentioned, development and
> quashing of bugs is driven by the interests of the respective 
developers. Some
> developers will assign to themselves, some will not--personal choice.

I've noticed that in other FOSS software.  :-(

IMO, that's not a professional approach, and has to change for any FOSS 
project to be considered for going head to head with good commercial 
software.

I seem to be one of the dwindling few that have not lowered their 
standards to get along with the rest of the world.  As George Bernard 
Shaw said, "Reasonable people adapt themselves to the world. 
Unreasonable people attempt to adapt the world to themselves. All 
progress, therefore, depends on unreasonable people."

> > Maybe there's hope after all, as I've got a list from long ago that I
> > never bothered to file as these were never addressed and assigned, so I
> > never bothered.
>
> Can't help but notice that in the ensuing time you have moved from OSX
> 10.6.8  to your current 10.8.3 build, yet YOU have not filed additional
> updates or status regards either issue.   Truth is issues with OSX builds
> require a lot of care and feeding given the rapid changes to Apples 
APIs.
> If you want things fixed you have to be engaged and nurture the issues
> you raise.   Please take the time to research the FDO Bugzilla
> ( 
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/query.cgi?format=advanced&product=LibreOffice )
> and if not already identified, submit as new issues items from your list.

That's because I quit checking on their status over a year ago, when I 
was still using 10.6.8. :-)  The only reason I know now is because Milos 
wanted to know the Bugzilla numbers.

And because nothing was happening, I lost any interest in even reporting 
other issues I found.  That's a two-way street.  If my submissions 
aren't of any import to them, why should I help?  I can simply go buy a 
program that works.   :-)

> You should have a look at the OSX issues meta bug
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42082
> and you'll get some idea.

There's a lot of work to be done, but fixing the interface is eye candy 
if the features and functions don't perform.  I originally started out 
with NeoOffice, and when I found issues there, I discovered I had to pay 
to post in the NeoOffice forum.  Not going to happen.  I pay my car 
mechanic to fix the problem, not tell him about the problem.  I've not 
used NeoOffice since.

> Regarding  fdo#44871, the labeling as Distribute Rows Equally is clearly
> wrong.   Its function is documented as "Space Rows Equally" -- 
Adjusts the
> height of the selected rows to match the height of the tallest row in 
the selection,
< which it does.   So what you were really asking for is an enhancement. 
 Which as
> was pointed out in comments to 44871 would receive the best review on the
> UX-Advise list.  Did you follow up there?  Just looked and saw no record.

"... is clearly wrong."  Your words.  :-)  That means error, something 
needs to be fixed.  I just checked, 
http://thesaurus.com/browse/enhancement?s=t and nowhere will you find 
the word fix or similar listed as a synonym for the word enhancement.

A bug is something that needs to be fixed, not made prettier, not 
something new added.    <grin>

> So, I've opened a new enhancement request in fdo#64242 and asked the UX-Advise list
> for discussion--essentially for handling Table columns and rows the 
UX is a bit
> muddled between Distribute and Equal Spacing actions.

I actually think both ideas would be valid.


--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.8.3
Firefox 20.0
Thunderbird 17.0.5
LibreOffice 4.0.1.2


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