Re: [libreoffice-users] typographic freaks: footnotes not vertically aligned to last line of body text in following page (as in good typographic style)

On 12/19/2012 11:18 PM, Brian Barker wrote:
> At 00:14 20/12/2012 +0800, Nobody Noname wrote:
> > ... there is a thing that, if we cannot strictly to define as a BUG, 
> > is, at least, a  "defect" regarding the right typography.  I mean the 
> > behavior of footnotes versus the text body contained in subsequent 
> > pages.  professionally formatted books, look like this [...] as you 
> > can see, footnotes (last footnote) are perfectly vertically aligned 
> > with the last line of text in following page, while if we insert a 
> > footnote in OpenOffice/Libreoffice, this is what we get [...] an 
> > horrible difference between footnote and last line of body text that 
> > result not aligned that makes appearance of documents with footnotes 
> > very ugly
>
> Each page has an area within its margins where text may appear. If 
> there is not sufficient space for a further line at the bottom of a 
> page, it will be carried over to the next page, possibly leaving a 
> small amount of unused vertical space within the text area of the 
> page.  If different pages have different type sizes or different 
> paragraph spacing - or even just a different number of paragraphs - 
> the bases of bottom lines may well not match up.  In the case of your 
> example, the spacing and the rule before the footnote and the reduced 
> type size of the footnote itself all add up to mean that there can be 
> no guarantee that the bases of the bottom lines will match up.
>
> In order to correct this problem, you need to make small alteration to 
> details of one or other page.  It may be that you can remedy things by 
> changing the bottom page margin slightly - but if you do that for the 
> page style of the whole document, you are likely to introduce similar 
> problems on other pages.  The simplest solution may be to increase 
> slightly the line spacing on the second page.
>
> > if making this enhancement is not too hard, it will be a great step 
> > toward dtp for LibreOffice
>
> It's not clear what you want to happen here.  Do you want the line 
> spacing on your second page to be increased slightly so as better to 
> fill the page?  Or do you want the space before the footnote to be 
> increased?  Or both of these?  Or, if (as would be usual) you had more 
> than one paragraph on each page, would you want the paragraph spacing 
> to be adjusted to suit?  Or some combination of all these?
>
> It's worth mentioning that you are comparing your word processor 
> results with - as you say - the appearance of a professionally 
> produced book.  In that case, a quite separate process - "layout" - is 
> carried out after the text is finalised.  This is done is layout 
> software, not in word processing software.  Any modifications to the 
> text - even minor ones - after this would potentially upset the 
> appearance, so this is done in the final stages of production.  And I 
> doubt whether this is ever completely automated, in fact: rather, I 
> imagine that expert user of layout software makes minor adjustments to 
> achieve the sort of smart appearance that you crave.
>
> So you are asking for OpenOffice or LibreOffice to become layout 
> software as well as word processing software.  I have no idea whether 
> its developers would wish to do this.
>
> I trust this helps.
>
> Brian Barker
     I thought I had seen something about this some time ago either on 
this mailing list of the A00 mailing list. The topic was "Register 
true". If you do a web search you may find the entire thread.
     To do this, you must change the Page style for your document.
1. Open the Styles and Formatting window using F11 to do so.
2. At the top of this window, click the Page Style icon. (4th icon from 
the left). The list of page styles appear.
3. Right click the highlighted page style. (If you are not using a 
custom page style, this will be Default .)
4. Click the Page style.
5. It is in the Layout settings section (bottom right).
6. Click the box labeled "Register-true".
7. Click OK.
     This is the setting that printers use to make sure the lines of 
adjacent pages line up.

--Dan


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