Re: [libreoffice-users] typographic freaks: footnotes not vertically aligned to last line of body text in following page (as in good typographic style)

Hi :)
Wow!!  Errr, is that something that LaTex or Scribus might be better at?  If so can they read and 
work with the output from LO?
Regards from
Tom :)  





> ________________________________
> From: Brian Barker <b.m.barker@btinternet.com>
> To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
> Sent: Thursday, 20 December 2012, 4:18
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] typographic freaks: footnotes not vertically aligned to last line 
> of body text in following page (as in good typographic style)
>
> At 00:14 20/12/2012 +0800, Nobody Noname wrote:
> > ... there is a thing that, if we cannot strictly to define as a BUG, is, at least, a  "defect" 
> > regarding the right typography.  I mean the behavior of footnotes versus the text body contained 
> > in subsequent pages.  professionally formatted books, look like this [...] as you can see, 
> > footnotes (last footnote) are perfectly vertically aligned with the last line of text in 
> > following page, while if we insert a footnote in OpenOffice/Libreoffice, this is what we get 
> > [...] an horrible difference between footnote and last line of body text that result not aligned 
> > that makes appearance of documents with footnotes very ugly
>
> Each page has an area within its margins where text may appear.  If there is not sufficient space 
> for a further line at the bottom of a page, it will be carried over to the next page, possibly 
> leaving a small amount of unused vertical space within the text area of the page.  If different 
> pages have different type sizes or different paragraph spacing - or even just a different number 
> of paragraphs - the bases of bottom lines may well not match up.  In the case of your example, the 
> spacing and the rule before the footnote and the reduced type size of the footnote itself all add 
> up to mean that there can be no guarantee that the bases of the bottom lines will match up.
>
> In order to correct this problem, you need to make small alteration to details of one or other 
> page.  It may be that you can remedy things by changing the bottom page margin slightly - but if 
> you do that for the page style of the whole document, you are likely to introduce similar problems 
> on other pages.  The simplest solution may be to increase slightly the line spacing on the second 
> page.
>
> > if making this enhancement is not too hard, it will be a great step toward dtp for LibreOffice
>
> It's not clear what you want to happen here.  Do you want the line spacing on your second page to 
> be increased slightly so as better to fill the page?  Or do you want the space before the footnote 
> to be increased?  Or both of these?  Or, if (as would be usual) you had more than one paragraph on 
> each page, would you want the paragraph spacing to be adjusted to suit?  Or some combination of 
> all these?
>
> It's worth mentioning that you are comparing your word processor results with - as you say - the 
> appearance of a professionally produced book.  In that case, a quite separate process - "layout" - 
> is carried out after the text is finalised.  This is done is layout software, not in word 
> processing software.  Any modifications to the text - even minor ones - after this would 
> potentially upset the appearance, so this is done in the final stages of production.  And I doubt 
> whether this is ever completely automated, in fact: rather, I imagine that expert user of layout 
> software makes minor adjustments to achieve the sort of smart appearance that you crave.
>
> So you are asking for OpenOffice or LibreOffice to become layout software as well as word 
> processing software.  I have no idea whether its developers would wish to do this.
>
> I trust this helps.
>
> Brian Barker
>
>
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