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Hi :)
Wow!!  Errr, is that something that LaTex or Scribus might be better at?  If so can they read and 
work with the output from LO?
Regards from
Tom :)  

From: Brian Barker <>
Sent: Thursday, 20 December 2012, 4:18
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] typographic freaks: footnotes not vertically aligned to last line 
of body text in following page (as in good typographic style)

At 00:14 20/12/2012 +0800, Nobody Noname wrote:
... there is a thing that, if we cannot strictly to define as a BUG, is, at least, a  "defect" 
regarding the right typography.  I mean the behavior of footnotes versus the text body contained 
in subsequent pages.  professionally formatted books, look like this [...] as you can see, 
footnotes (last footnote) are perfectly vertically aligned with the last line of text in 
following page, while if we insert a footnote in OpenOffice/Libreoffice, this is what we get 
[...] an horrible difference between footnote and last line of body text that result not aligned 
that makes appearance of documents with footnotes very ugly

Each page has an area within its margins where text may appear.  If there is not sufficient space 
for a further line at the bottom of a page, it will be carried over to the next page, possibly 
leaving a small amount of unused vertical space within the text area of the page.  If different 
pages have different type sizes or different paragraph spacing - or even just a different number 
of paragraphs - the bases of bottom lines may well not match up.  In the case of your example, the 
spacing and the rule before the footnote and the reduced type size of the footnote itself all add 
up to mean that there can be no guarantee that the bases of the bottom lines will match up.

In order to correct this problem, you need to make small alteration to details of one or other 
page.  It may be that you can remedy things by changing the bottom page margin slightly - but if 
you do that for the page style of the whole document, you are likely to introduce similar problems 
on other pages.  The simplest solution may be to increase slightly the line spacing on the second 

if making this enhancement is not too hard, it will be a great step toward dtp for LibreOffice

It's not clear what you want to happen here.  Do you want the line spacing on your second page to 
be increased slightly so as better to fill the page?  Or do you want the space before the footnote 
to be increased?  Or both of these?  Or, if (as would be usual) you had more than one paragraph on 
each page, would you want the paragraph spacing to be adjusted to suit?  Or some combination of 
all these?

It's worth mentioning that you are comparing your word processor results with - as you say - the 
appearance of a professionally produced book.  In that case, a quite separate process - "layout" - 
is carried out after the text is finalised.  This is done is layout software, not in word 
processing software.  Any modifications to the text - even minor ones - after this would 
potentially upset the appearance, so this is done in the final stages of production.  And I doubt 
whether this is ever completely automated, in fact: rather, I imagine that expert user of layout 
software makes minor adjustments to achieve the sort of smart appearance that you crave.

So you are asking for OpenOffice or LibreOffice to become layout software as well as word 
processing software.  I have no idea whether its developers would wish to do this.

I trust this helps.

Brian Barker

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