[libreoffice-users] Re: Side by side install of LibO and OOo

In news:1308412490832-3080029.post@n3.nabble.com,
aqualung <xfekdcugjrkz@mailinator.com> typed:
> Cor & Twayne,
>
> Thank you for your replies.
>
>
> Twayne wrote:
> > If you think about the preceding paragraph, it's saying
> > that both OOo and LO
> > use the same file types and thus there could be
> > confusion to the program as
> > to which program should open a given file.
>
> Why should there be confusion? If LibO during
> installation grabs all ODF file types for itself, then
> doubleclicking on, say, an .odt file will launch LibO
> Writer but not OOo Wtiter. OOo could then still open the
> .odt via File

Let me start by sayng I don't claim to be a guru on any of this and can only 
relate my own experiences and assumptions about what I see/experience. So 
there's no way I have the savvy a few of the people here have.

> > Open. And vice versa, if the user is given a choice
> > during LibO
> installation to leave existing file associations intact.
> Ditto for Microsoft Office file types.

IIRC, the use is given the choice of not affecting any other file 
associations during the install. Or, it can take over all of them depending 
on which you choose at install time. Once installed, you can also change 
them but you have to do them individually which is a lot of work.
   "Registering" means of course, entries in the registry which, when a file 
such as .odt or .ods is clicked, opens whatever program has been registered 
to open it. Depending on where in the REgstry these program-choosings lie, 
and which it comes to first, and with both LO and OOo iinstalled to take the 
same file extensions, it's a crap shoot AFAIK which one wiil be seen first, 
and used to open that file.

> Twayne wrote:
> > Since you're apparently leaving OOo for LO
>
> Not so fast . I'd like to have both OOo and LibO
> coexisting on my system indefinitely.

OK, I see. I don't see why you'd want to do that, but I understand. If you 
do the same thing with, say, two versions of Word, the win installer comes 
on and arranges each one to run properly but LO/OOo doesn't seem to work 
that way. Maybe it should, I don't know. For a long time I used to run MS 
Office 97 I think it was, and win 2k2 at side by side, and even 
simultaneously; 97 for web work, 2k2 for the increased feature/functions. 97 
didn't fill html files with piles of personal data to strip out like 2k2 on 
forward did. Every time you swtched from one to the other you had to wait a 
moment for the installer to correct the setups so they'd work right. It was 
handy. But, that's not OOo of LO.

 And I would expect
> to be able to make either program the default for all (or
> only some) possible file types via Windows Control Panel
> at any time.

There is no way to do that that I'm aware of.
> I've searched the bugzilla to see if this has been filed
> as a bug, did not find one.

It's possible it wasn't found as a bug because it wasn't considered one IF 
it was ever reported. If it doesn't exist at all, then you would be the 
first one to enter a bug for that particular option.

I think you have to consider OOo and LO as two different "producers" of 
similar programs and they one is not in any way co-erced into doing what the 
other does in results or code. This is going to happen with any two or more 
programs that share common files or Registry entries so it's not new, it's 
just something that seldom happens. OTOH there's nothing to prevent it from 
happening either.
   Like I said before I don't see a need to run them in parallel 
simultaneiously so for me it's nothing that matters much. Assuming you have 
a valid wish and a good reason for it though, you are able to enter it as a 
requested feature; not sure you could call it a "bug".
   If you're trying to work for the community and within the source code, it 
might be possible to go right to the TDF and as if they have any way to do 
it. I can also envision such things as Virtual Machines, VLM, etc., to 
enable what you want and there are probably other ways but all I personally 
can do is wish you luck and hope you report back if you find a valid 
solution.

> however, I found this:
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33844, which

That's an interesting link but it seems to center on what the title is:
"Bug 33844 - [Portable 3.3.0]: Can not be launched if LibO or OpenOffice.org 
is running "
and seems to except other non-portable versions.

> suggests that LibO does not play nicely with OOo (but
> maybe it's only a problem for Portable LibO?)

Good question. I guess if it were me, I'd just go ahead and try the 
installs, first in one order, then the opposite order, and see what happens. 
If I had to guess, I'd say to install OOo first, then LO. Make them both 
whatever version you want to run production-wise.

> I wouldn't mind not being able to have both LibO and OOo
> open and running simultaneously, but I find the
> suggestion to uninstall OOo before installing LibO
> mystifying.

Yes, that is funny since it appears I can start as many instances of LO as I 
want to. I just started LO Writer 5 times and have all 5 entries on the Task 
Bar and screen. So why it comes up with that message when you add an OOo to 
the list, it does get more interesting.

What specific two versions of each are you trying to install? I'll try it 
here on win XP Pro and see what happens using those two specific versions. I 
also have a win7 laptop I can try it on. I'll have free time to play with it 
about mid-week.

HTH,

Twayne`




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