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Hi Michael,

Le 12/11/2020 à 14:54, Michael Weghorn a écrit :
Hi Marina, everyone,

On 11/11/2020 11.09, Marina Latini wrote:> PERSONAL: always with this
target-origin approach, I'm missing the
origin here. Which tag should be used for example by the Limux project
or by SUSE or by all the others that are investing in our project with a
contract with one of the ecosystem companies for fixing specific issues
without using their LTS branded version? Why we should ask to these
contributors to use a personal tag giving the wrong impression to their
users that the software is for "for personal use only" and they are the
"bad folks" not contributing to our open source project in the proper way?

I completely agree with this and pretty much everything you wrote. :)

ROLLING/TUMBLEWEED: I can be biased here as openSUSE community member
but "rolling" is not only something unstable. ;)
Look for example at openSUSE Tumbleweed. The distro is a rolling one, in
constant evolution, it's true, you can get all the updated software
available from upstream projects and the distro has in any case a really
extensive quality work done by SUSE, its partners and by the openSUSE
community. At the end, this tumbleweed concept is not like using a
master version of LibreOffice but is closer to chose fresh instead of
still. ;)
The concept of rolling is something that I really like. it's a shared
effort from all the contributors (volunteers, ecosystem and investors)
to deliver something that works as expected without providing a long
term support version. With this rolling concept I can't see a negative
outcome also for public administrations like Munich or companies like
SUSE supporting our project in a different way. I like "tumbleweed" more
than rolling to be honest but if this concept will be selected we can
try to find a more effective and visual word too.

A tag in that direction ("something that works as expected without
providing a long term support version") sounds good to me.

From my personal understanding, "rolling" isn't what I'd use to describe
the LibreOffice release process (where there is a release schedule in
advance and features/bugfixes/bugs always enter with a distinct new
release, not "at any unknown point in time", as can happen for rolling
releases like OpenSUSE Tumbleweed or Debian unstable where new packages
can enter at any point in time).

IMHO, "Semi-annual Edition" would match our release model more
precisely, since we have two new major releases every year, and it would
make clear that whoever uses these versions should be prepared to
upgrade to the next version every 6 months (as opposed to LTS versions).
CREATIVE: I feel this proposal closer to what I wrote for
ROLLING/TUMBLEWEED and indeed, I like it. :)

I agree with you. But I find the rolling concept interesting too.

"Creative" sounds good, but at least from my personal user perspective,
I'd probably wonder at first whether "Creative Edition" is the right one
for me, since I don't feel that what I'm usually doing with LibreOffice
is particularly creative (like writing some official letters from time
to time or do some calculations in a spreadsheet). :)

Oh, I've seen official letters made in very creative ways, like
embedding tables in tables in the header, free styles, empty paragraphs
to jump to the next page, etc. ;-)

The label aims to qualify the product more than the way the user will
use it. If you look at the rationale I gave for the word, they are
mostly talking about the project and the product. Only the last one
could be considered as directed to the user, a reference to commons
universally accessible.
Same for Spring and its different meanings: it's one of the 4 seasons
(like our cycle of releases), it's the source of the water (the origin
of all the editions) and resilience reflecting how united our community is.
Sophie Gautier
GSM: +33683901545
IRC: sophi
Foundation coordinator
The Document Foundation

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