Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Add hy-RU to the Pootle translation server

I hope this message is in plain text format (I didn't know the reason for the added tags; thanks 
for telling it; this problem is new for me). But if the messiness continues in this message also, 
please, disregard it. Thanks.

> I don't know if and what difference there is between the current 'hy'
> translation and the most common ortography (is it the "Modern"/USSR1940
> Armenian orthography, or something else?) and the proposed hy-RU, but
> please resolve this dispute in a sensible manner.

No difference. And yes, the most common Armenian orthography is the "modern"/USSR1940 one.

I have already sent an extensive explanation to Samvel and am not going to discuss the issue of 
Armenian locales any more. I sent that message without including  l10n@global.libreoffice.org 
address to save you from reading my long messy messages. 

Best,
Seda


12.07.2019, 20:15, "Eike Rathke" <erack@redhat.com>:
> Hi Stamboltsyan,
>
> On Friday, 2019-07-12 15:13:25 +0400, Stamboltsyan Seda wrote:
>
> >  <div>Samvel,</div><div> </div><div>Your explanation is a mess. What you have explained about 
> > hy_AM is the following:</div><div> </div><div>"<span style="font:small monospace">For 
> > hy_AM/hye_AM the Institute of Language and Ministry of Education of RA have not yet made the 
> > official decision. There is an ongoing work on unified orthography, after completion of which, 
> > it will also be implemented under this code. For now we will use either IR or RU variant for 
> > this (subject to discussion with the min-edu)."</span></div><div><br />There is NO "ongoing work 
> > on unified orthography", as you say. And hy_AM has been used for all these years for the Eastern 
> > Armenian (that is, the main language of ARMENIA) with the main orthography used in Armenia. You 
> > write: "For now we will use either IR or RU variant for this". Really? Who has decided that? 
> > Have you asked the opinion of all the other Armenians of Armenia who are going to use 
> > LibreOffice or any other application localized for Armenia?</div><div> </div><div>Once again: 
> > the locale name hy_RU for Armenian of ARMENIA is not correct, whether it is used by your 
> > organization or some others also. A full stop. Don't attach the name of Russia to the Armenian 
> > of Armenia. And there is NO separate Armenian for the Armenians of Russia, which means there 
> > just can't be any separate locale for Armenian used in Russia.</div><div> </div><div>Please, 
> > don't insist on the wrong decision of minority (like you) against the already established and 
> > correct hy_AM.</div><div> </div><div>S.</div>
>
> (Btw, could you *please* teach your mail client to send proper plain
> text as the text/plain message body? Thanks.)
>
> To explain why such crux workaround is necessary from the technical side:
>
> There are 5 variants to write Armenian, as per
> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116058#c2
> but only 4 distinct language tags. Omitting A.2) 'axm' there leaves us
> with 4 variants and 3 distinct language tags. To resolve that from
> a *technical* point it was addressed with commit
> https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=01d9d5b491d03004b3690c2a1ff4d99997e02a5a
> which as possible tags added hy-RU and hy-IR.
>
> This has nothing to do with attaching Armenians to Russia or whatsoever.
> This is a technical workaround solution, not a political one.
>
> If the IANA language tag registry knew distinct variant subtags for the
> different ortographies then all this wouldn't be a problem. To properly
> solve this best would be to request such variant subtags, see
> http://langtag.net/register-new-subtag.html
>
> I don't know if and what difference there is between the current 'hy'
> translation and the most common ortography (is it the "Modern"/USSR1940
> Armenian orthography, or something else?) and the proposed hy-RU, but
> please resolve this dispute in a sensible manner.
>
> The 'hy' tag default locale is of course hy-AM and whatever the most
> common ortography used with Eastern Armenian as used in Armenia is
> should be translated under the 'hy' tag.
>
>   Eike
>
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