Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Add hy-RU to the Pootle translation server

Hi Stamboltsyan,

On Friday, 2019-07-12 15:13:25 +0400, Stamboltsyan Seda wrote:

> <div>Samvel,</div><div> </div><div>Your explanation is a mess. What you have explained about 
> hy_AM is the following:</div><div> </div><div>"<span style="font:small monospace">For 
> hy_AM/hye_AM the Institute of Language and Ministry of Education of RA have not yet made the 
> official decision. There is an ongoing work on unified orthography, after completion of which, it 
> will also be implemented under this code. For now we will use either IR or RU variant for this 
> (subject to discussion with the min-edu)."</span></div><div><br />There is NO "ongoing work on 
> unified orthography", as you say. And hy_AM has been used for all these years for the Eastern 
> Armenian (that is, the main language of ARMENIA) with the main orthography used in Armenia. You 
> write: "For now we will use either IR or RU variant for this". Really? Who has decided that? Have 
> you asked the opinion of all the other Armenians of Armenia who are going to use LibreOffice or 
> any other application localized for Armenia?</div><div> </div><div>Once again: the locale name 
> hy_RU for Armenian of ARMENIA is not correct, whether it is used by your organization or some 
> others also. A full stop. Don't attach the name of Russia to the Armenian of Armenia. And there 
> is NO separate Armenian for the Armenians of Russia, which means there just can't be any separate 
> locale for Armenian used in Russia.</div><div> </div><div>Please, don't insist on the wrong 
> decision of minority (like you) against the already established and correct hy_AM.</div><div> 
> </div><div>S.</div>

(Btw, could you *please* teach your mail client to send proper plain
text as the text/plain message body? Thanks.)

To explain why such crux workaround is necessary from the technical side:

There are 5 variants to write Armenian, as per
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116058#c2
but only 4 distinct language tags. Omitting A.2) 'axm' there leaves us
with 4 variants and 3 distinct language tags.  To resolve that from
a *technical* point it was addressed with commit
https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=01d9d5b491d03004b3690c2a1ff4d99997e02a5a
which as possible tags added hy-RU and hy-IR.

This has nothing to do with attaching Armenians to Russia or whatsoever.
This is a technical workaround solution, not a political one.

If the IANA language tag registry knew distinct variant subtags for the
different ortographies then all this wouldn't be a problem. To properly
solve this best would be to request such variant subtags, see
http://langtag.net/register-new-subtag.html

I don't know if and what difference there is between the current 'hy'
translation and the most common ortography (is it the "Modern"/USSR1940
Armenian orthography, or something else?) and the proposed hy-RU, but
please resolve this dispute in a sensible manner.

The 'hy' tag default locale is of course hy-AM and whatever the most
common ortography used with Eastern Armenian as used in Armenia is
should be translated under the 'hy' tag.

  Eike

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