Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Localisation gone wild

Þann sun 10.mar 2013 22:23, skrifaði Christian Lohmaier:
> Hi Jelle, *,
>
> On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Jelle Mulder <pjmulder@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> > [...]
> > Well the point I'm trying to make is that the installer is completely
> > localised.
>
> Yes, I fully understand. But while I see it is a problem for /you/, I
> doubt that this szenario is affecting "the masses".
> Even when the language of the OS is not the target language of your
> application, one can assume that the person using the OS at least
> understands the OS language. Everything else is a corner case.

Well, for many smaller languages there may not be any 
Windows UI-localisation available or just not installed; yet 
the locale might be correctly defined:
--> UI = english (fallback language) and the LO-installer 
language = XX-locale (if translations exist).
Also there is a question of keyboard layout.

A long time ago we had an example of a french native working 
in Moscow with a non-cyrilic keyboard, doing work in 
[ukranian] and other languages (if I recall correctly), 
wanting to switch LibreOffice-UI according to the language 
she was working on at the moment. Things can be complicated.

> But then again: I see that having a dropdown or other selection within
> the installer to switch both the installer language as the default of
> what gets installed to the respective language only as a nice feature.
> And to repeat myself:
> ######
> "I have no insight on hard it would be to add a button "use english"
> for the installer - but in any case: File an issue in buzilla, just
> discussing it here won't change anything.
> ######

Even Linux-distro-installers like Anaconda start with a 
simple section; "Please choose a language to use during 
installation", many Windows packages do too (as I recall).
The Linux-installers also ask for keyboard layout.
Just polite in my opinion.

But I agree; this is more of a bugzilla request. The UI/UX 
might have an opinion on how/where to define those choices, 
but then maybe this is depending on which installer software 
is used to produce the MSI-packages?

> > [...]
> > and probably the odd 10% of all world population that can consider
> > themselves immigrants.
>
> I disagree here. Why do they use a OS they cannot understand in the
> first place? Either they already own a computer, then they should just
> keep using that, or they have to buy one, but then they could just buy
> a version in the language they understand.
The user UI-language may be in a certain language, but to 
install packages you'd have to drop into admin-mode, which 
is normally in system locale and language. Right?

Best regards,

Sveinn í Felli

> And if you're there to work - how are you supposed to actually do
> work, when you cannot understand the OS - and why let people install
> you software there? So to me it still is a rare corner-case.
>
> > Oh,.. sure,.. I could plug some Linux distro on it and all my trouble would
> > be over. However, that would exclude me from communicatng with my collegues
> > that run all those nifty malware tools like QQ (some IM) and the like. Nor
> > do Linux distro's support Chinese all that well for those that cannot read
> > Chinese. It exists, but alas,.. the info is all in Chinese and not all of it
> > is in HTML format that I might run through Google Chrome to translate it.
>
> I can't follow you on the Linux point here. If you don't understand
> any chinese, why install chinese linux? If you cannot read chinese,
> how would you write chinese? (I can only assume you mean how to
> install a IME to write chinese is not documented in "non-chinese"
> properly - but then again - chicken and egg problem - just install
> ibus with a chinese IME and you're done - the times where installing
> an IME was painfull are long over, thanks to all Linux-distros using
> UTF-8 by default now.
>
> > [-..]
> > Come on people,.. if this is the UI/UX department, this issue is right at
> > it's place as this is UI/UX at it's purest.
>
> Sorry, but you wrote to the l10n list - at least that is what I have
> been replying to..
>
> File a bug an indeed UX would be the correct place to lay out what it
> should offer.
>
> ciao
> Christian


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