Bjoern Michaelsen wrote:
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 12:16:51AM +0200, Thorsten Behrens wrote:And then people will cross-post,Why? I dont see anyone posting to the gerrit list directly at all. If you want you comment on that do it in a comment on gerrit (send via email or whatever). This is what people are doing right now -- I rarely see someone to reply on a a gerrit mail on the dev-list (and that is a Good Thing as replying on the dev-list keeps the stuff invisible on gerrit).
Ok - but then I see even less reason for another list, if it is read-only. Gerrit already lets me get email for any number of events, with filters & all. So if additional action is necessary anyway - which subscribing to a 2nd list is - why not suggest to everyone interested to customize his or her own private gerrit firehose?
The folks on the dev-list are already missing more than half of the discussion as as Lionel notes the mailing list does not get the comments -- which it where almost ~all the interesting stuff happens. So the firehose we have right now is sprinkling you enough to get wet, but not enough to get clean.
Sure. But it seems people appreciate the occasional email poke about new patches - why else was there the suggestion to have a daily digest from the gerrit list?
Subscribing a second list is not a lot of effort -- probably a lot less effort than the custom filtering ~everyone is doing right now, while still having to poll gerrit to see the comments (which are the relevant bits).
I'm with you that the current situation leaves something to be
desired. I just disagree with the proposed solution, which in my mind
does not help anyone with deeper interest in LibreOffice hacking -
they'd have to subscribe to two lists, get even more email, and need
even more filtering to stay afloat.
To keep this constructive, my alternative proposal would be:
- cut down current gerrit email somewhat, to an acceptable level
* it seems there is ~consensus that at least new patches should be
notified to the list
- educate folks on how to make use of gerrit's Watch / Notification
feature - it should be possible to get the equivalent of the
proposed new list setup individually, no?
- encourage to have larger discussions on the dev list - hackers
watching such a discussion on gerrit could simply fwd the
notification email to the dev-list. That hopefully prevents the
'oh, decision $foo happened on that other list' argument, and
ghettoization into pro-hackers and volunteer hackers lists.
Cheers,
-- Thorsten
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