minutes of ESC call ...

* Present
        + Stephan, Andras, Thorsten, Norbert, Eike, Joel, Caolan,
          Markus, Michael M, Lionel, Mirek, Tibby, Cedric, Bjoern,
          Petr, Michael S

* Completed Action Items
        + migrate 3.5 MAB's to 3.6 (Joel / QA guys)
        + review / back-port Mac signing foo for 4.0.1 (Tor)
        + RHEL5 base for tinderbox running (Caolan)
                + 64bit builds running locally, pending migration to new
                  build hardware, if 64bit works turn on 32bit
        + Investigate native build/env scripts for SDK (Bjoern)
                + use gnumake instead perhaps ? try harder ?
                + punted for now.

* Pending Action Items
        + find person who can write and add off-line help for impress-remote (Thorsten)
**      + Update gsoc ideas page
          https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Gsoc/Ideas (all)
                + everybody should update their their tasks and add new ones
        + create/request mail alias for certification (Bjoern)
        + Bugzilla attachments not set to autodetect (Bjoern)
                + sent to Tollef, pending reply
        + full-word selection / editing ergonomics cf. UX-advise
          https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46517
                + pending input from Caolan / Cedric / Michael S
        + minimal triage for good mentors for proposed easy hacks (Bjoern)
        + disable Rhino / Beanshell unless in experimental mode (Michael M)
        + Ubuntu font licensing questions, clarify at Canonical (Bjoern)
        + helping out with code-pointers for UI bugs (Kendy)
                + reviewed them with Mirek in person, pointers pending
                + 
http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-ux-advise/2013-February/001817.html

* UX input (Mirek)
        + 4.0/4.x branding
                + E-mail voting results:
                  
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AsGS28t6YMF3dHFrTm9hMzZVNk9hNEZMN0NSbV9ZbXc#gid=0
                + two winners, Alex's and Maxim's
                        + going for Maxim's proposal
AI:             + push updated branding for 4.0.1 RC1; send TDF branded
                  versions out to ESC list (Astron)
        + Mirek to propose a talk at LibreGraphics
                + a great opportunity, may see Fridrich too.

* GSOC 2013 (Cedric)
        + announced last-week
        + we'll know if we will participate by April 8th
        + it is -really- important to have a great ideas page at that date:
                + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Gsoc/Ideas
        + this year final evaluations would happen during the LibreOffice conf.

* Release Engineering update (Petr)
        + 4.0.1 rc1 commit deadline 1.5 weeks out: Monday Feb 18
AI:             + check RHEL5 dbus-glib / bluez bits for bluetooth (Caolan)
                + enable bluetooth remote control for windows
AI:             + get LotusLive / CMIS fixes in (need review) (Michael)
        + 3.6.6 rc1 commit deadline 1 month out: Monday Mar 18

* Official discontinuation of 3.5 release (Petr)
        + all 3.5 MAB's are migrated to 3.6
AI:     + poke marketing - do we want an official announcement of this (Petr)
        + no further 3.5 bugfix releases are planned
                + but no need to update bug versions on your bugs.
        + 3.6 is stable, 4.0.0 is out & looking good.

* on-line update strategy for 3.5.x all of it to 3.6.5 (Kendy)
        + 3.x-1.n -> 3.x.n works well - except for now
        => upgrade everything to 3.6.5
        => upgrade all 3.*.0 -> 4.0.0
        + potential ideal:
                + first-ever-start to check for updates and warn (Bjoern)
                + add to the recovery dialog
                        "your version is horribly old and crashy"

* 4.0.0 retrospective
        + branding changes were done much too late
        + bluetooth shipped in a horrible state:
                + different developer / distribution builds
                + more targetted testing communication (Moztrap ?)
        + still some incomplete upgrade / profile issues
                + improved / fixed for 4.0.1
        + more time to fix regressions before release (Michael S)
                + do we want to branch -x-0-0 at all ?
                + it is to avoiding breaking the last RC (Petr)
                + should we lower the review barrier from -4-0 to -4-0-0 ? (Bjoern)
                + moral hazard of sticking more stuff into .0 release (Thorsten)
        + better marketing / QA team co-ordination (Joel)
                + getting more people using pre-releases would
                  be useful & improving communication key.

* scp2 re-work (Bjoern)
        + starting proposal in gerrit
                + significantly reducing complexity
                + stepping stone to ridding ourselves of more perl magic
        + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/2144/
                + comments so far encouraging
                + how to get module info into gbuild ?

* Updating the help (Kendy)
        + we are pending migration of wikihelp server to a new machine
        + happy to have more languages: >70% a sensible yardstick ...
                + thanks to Zeki Bildirici for encouragement
        + don't want to block live users, need the new machine.

* Easy Hacks decline
        + out of date selection
                + wiki page needs updating:
                  https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Easy_Hacks
                + as/when you file an easy-hack update the above page.
        + too-few new hacks several stale / stalled ones
                + the 'Assigned To; field was really confusing to a newbie (Joel)
                        + libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org
                + can we tweak the default assignee / default user
                  to an "un-assigned" name ? (Bjoern)

* Gerrit - unpleasant (Michael)
        + "I would prefer that you didn't submit this" ->
                "This probably needs some tweaks before it is merged"
        + "Do not submit" ->
                "I would prefer this not to be committed in this state."
AI:     + pour over the gerrit source code (Norbert)

* Certification Program (Stephan/Kendy/Bjoern)
        + no update, more or less blocked on Bjoern's mail-alias creation
        + get Matus certified ... [!]
AI:     + ping Marc wrt. creatign a page with certified consultants in
          alphabetical order with rates etc. (Joel)
        + Already users are interested in things like this: (Joel)
          http://www.freedomsponsors.org/core/issue/?s=&project_id=149&project_name=LibreOffice
                + happy with advertising this on Ask if someone
                  says they are willing to pay.

* Hard Hacks:
        + http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/HardHacks
                + split between 3.6.x and 4.0.x
                + new ones

* QA update (Joel)
        + QA going smoothly
        + QA 'Assigned' status (push/pull)
                + not pushing them in the direction of individuals any more
        * MABs
                + should have an asignee / CC
                + should not be left in NEEDINFO for months
                + users shouldn't report their own bugs ther.
        + help is needed with triagging the following bugs:
          
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?emailtype1=exact&query_format=advanced&emailassigned_to1=1&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=REOPENED&version=4.0.0.0.alpha0%2B%20Master&version=4.0.0.0.alpha1&version=4.0.0.0.beta1&version=4.1.0.0.alpha0%2B%20Master&version=4.0.0.0.beta2&version=4.0.0.1%20rc&version=4.0.0.2%20rc&email1=libreoffice-bugs%40lists.freedesktop.org&product=LibreOffice&list_id=221457

* Open 4.1 MAB / regressions
        + 3 (of 3)
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=60270&hide_resolved=1

* Open 4.0 MAB / regressions
        + 16 (of 94) older 16/91 13/79 17/76 10/69 14/64 13/48 13/41 9/34 10/34 11/31
             17%            18%   22%   22%   14%   22%   27%   32%  26%   29%   35%
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=54157&hide_resolved=1

* 3.6 most annoying bugs ...
        + 57 (of 189) older 44/175 45/175 43/174 42/173 36/166 37/164 34/160 35/158
             30%             25%    25%    25%    24%     22%   23%    21%    22%
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=44446&hide_resolved=1

* 3.5 most annoying bugs ...
        + 28 (of 247) older 47/264 47/264 48/265 49/266 49/266 50/266 54/268 62/277
             11%             18%    18%    18%    18%    18%    19%    20%    22%
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=37361&hide_resolved=1

* Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibsected'
        + 49 (of 133) older 47/131 45/126 42/117 40/114 43/110
        + 
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?f1=status_whiteboard&list_id=204265&o1=substring&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&v1=bibisected&product=LibreOffice

* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
        + 270(+16) bugs open of 1258(+40) total

        * ~Component   count net *
        + Writer       - 93 (+5) .
        + Presentation - 30 (+2) .
        + Spreadsheet  - 28 (+6) .
        + Crashes      - 21 (+1) .
        + Database     - 20 (-1) .
        + LibreOffice  - 19 (+2) .
        + Drawing      - 17 (+2) .
        + Borders      - 11 (+0) .
        + Migration    - 5  (+0) .
        + Basic        - 2  (-2) .

        + 
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regression%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&product=LibreOffice&list_id=36764
        + Migration: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=43489&hide_resolved=1

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