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hmmm build debug=t always has worked for me on windows to get the VS
debugger to work

Yep, for me too. never used any dbgutil thing, as far as I can recall.

(I have noticed that if you build some of the lower-level modules with debug=true, you get lots of 
pointless assertions for situations that the code handles just fine anyway. But I guess this is no 
news to you.)

although it seems you need to build teh soffice.bin
( or is it .exe ) with built debug also in order for things to work.

Not necessarily. Unless specifically debugging something in the startup and command line handling 
code, I tend to just start OOo and attach it in the VS debugger.

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