Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Minutes from the design meeting 2018/Mar/28

I agree; fix the notebookbar's bugs and make it easy access in 6.1. The removal of the older 
toolbars can be later. 
It could also be a smoother transition for some users.
(And help find bugs that would otherwise be forced on everyone)


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-------- Original message --------From: Pedro Rosmaninho <mota.prego@gmail.com> Date: 3/29/18  4:55 
PM  (GMT-06:00) To: V Stuart Foote <VStuart.Foote@utsa.edu> Cc: design@global.libreoffice.org 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Minutes from the design meeting
  2018/Mar/28 
It would be awesome to see the Notebookbar come out of experimental support
for 6.1. IMO, that should be a priority.
If supporting these multiple Notebookbar options is not a blocker to that,
then I guess it's not bad to maintain them.

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 7:49 PM, V Stuart Foote <VStuart.Foote@utsa.edu>
wrote:

> htietze wrote
> > ...
> >
> > But it's up to the community, which is first the design team. So more
> > opinions please.
>
> Choosing a default Notebookbar mode is trivial--and I do not see too much
> of
> a support issue across the modes--it is all .UI assemblage of .uno
> commands.
> But there are holes and lingering issues to finishing up Notebookbar for
> general use.
>
> A major issue preventing Notebookbar from coming out of Experimental mode
> is
> the complete and continuing  lack of a11y Accessible Event focus for all
> elements in the Notebookbar UI--in any mode-- that is bug 107316. Listbox ,
> dialogs  launched from the Notebookbar emit their event focus and are
> picked
> up--but all controls in the .UI scheme are dead to a11y.
>
> But also, what to do for the missing Tools -> Autocorrect controls.
>
> Or bug 107343 for a shortcut for toggling of  the legacy "Menubar".
> Presently there is no shortcut implemented (F10 being the preferred) and
> the
> toggle from GUI  gets stuck. As a result UI can end up trapped in a
> Notebookbar mode unable to switch modes or the access the Menubar: View ->
> Toolbar Layout to change mode.  End up  trapped (and have to clear profile
> to recover).
>
> Aside from those issues, as to choosing a default in Writer I actually like
> the Compact Tabbed mode--when legacy Menubar is not trapped in the view
> "False" state--as this mode  gives the simplicity of GUI we wanted--while
> toggle exposing the legacy Menubar has all needed functions. Contextual
> Single mode is also appealing--but likewise troublesome if you loose the
> legacy Menubar. But those are both only in Writer.
>
> Andreas' work on the Groupedbar for Writer and the other modules is also
> good because of its extent, but also its distance from MS work on the
> Ribbon
> interface.
>
> But again I don't think it makes too much difference--just pick a "default"
> for when Notebookbar is enabled. As Andreas notes:
>
> > In the end the main question is how we guarantee that new features get
> > implemented in the different implementations.
>
>
>
>
>
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