Re: Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Minutes from the design meeting 2018/Mar/28

It seems that mostly everyone likes the Groupedbar and the Tabbed bar.
However, the Contextual Groups are filled with issues, under-developed and
don't seem to add much. Should it be kept and improved upon or discarded?

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 11:58 PM, infinitytec <infinitytec@hughes.net>
wrote:

> I agree; fix the notebookbar's bugs and make it easy access in 6.1. The
> removal of the older toolbars can be later.
>
> It could also be a smoother transition for some users.
>
> (And help find bugs that would otherwise be forced on everyone)
>
>
>
> *Any sufficiently advanced technology is magic to those who do not
> understand it.*
> *-A variation on Clarke's Third Law*
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Pedro Rosmaninho <mota.prego@gmail.com>
> Date: 3/29/18 4:55 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: V Stuart Foote <VStuart.Foote@utsa.edu>
> Cc: design@global.libreoffice.org
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Minutes from the design meeting
> 2018/Mar/28
>
> It would be awesome to see the Notebookbar come out of experimental support
> for 6.1. IMO, that should be a priority.
> If supporting these multiple Notebookbar options is not a blocker to that,
> then I guess it's not bad to maintain them.
>
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 7:49 PM, V Stuart Foote <VStuart.Foote@utsa.edu>
> wrote:
>
> > htietze wrote
> > > ...
> > >
> > > But it's up to the community, which is first the design team. So more
> > > opinions please.
> >
> > Choosing a default Notebookbar mode is trivial--and I do not see too much
> > of
> > a support issue across the modes--it is all .UI assemblage of .uno
> > commands.
> > But there are holes and lingering issues to finishing up Notebookbar for
> > general use.
> >
> > A major issue preventing Notebookbar from coming out of Experimental mode
> > is
> > the complete and continuing  lack of a11y Accessible Event focus for all
> > elements in the Notebookbar UI--in any mode-- that is bug 107316.
> Listbox ,
> > dialogs  launched from the Notebookbar emit their event focus and are
> > picked
> > up--but all controls in the .UI scheme are dead to a11y.
> >
> > But also, what to do for the missing Tools -> Autocorrect controls.
> >
> > Or bug 107343 for a shortcut for toggling of  the legacy "Menubar".
> > Presently there is no shortcut implemented (F10 being the preferred) and
> > the
> > toggle from GUI  gets stuck. As a result UI can end up trapped in a
> > Notebookbar mode unable to switch modes or the access the Menubar: View
> ->
> > Toolbar Layout to change mode.  End up  trapped (and have to clear
> profile
> > to recover).
> >
> > Aside from those issues, as to choosing a default in Writer I actually
> like
> > the Compact Tabbed mode--when legacy Menubar is not trapped in the view
> > "False" state--as this mode  gives the simplicity of GUI we wanted--while
> > toggle exposing the legacy Menubar has all needed functions. Contextual
> > Single mode is also appealing--but likewise troublesome if you loose the
> > legacy Menubar. But those are both only in Writer.
> >
> > Andreas' work on the Groupedbar for Writer and the other modules is also
> > good because of its extent, but also its distance from MS work on the
> > Ribbon
> > interface.
> >
> > But again I don't think it makes too much difference--just pick a
> "default"
> > for when Notebookbar is enabled. As Andreas notes:
> >
> > > In the end the main question is how we guarantee that new features get
> > > implemented in the different implementations.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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