Re: [libreoffice-design] Welcome graphics for the Startcenter in 4.2

Hi Kendy,
Sorry for the late reply.

On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Jan Holesovsky <kendy@suse.cz> wrote:

> Hi Mirek,
>
> Mirek M. píše v Ne 13. 10. 2013 v 18:05 +0200:
>
> > > Oh, when I noticed Kendy's mail I thought about something more like
> that:
> > > https://wiki.**
> documentfoundation.org/File:**Wallpaper-LibreOffice-2-**
> > > 1600px.png<
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Wallpaper-LibreOffice-2-1600px.png
> > > A jpeg which can be changed by user like the personas so that even
> > > companies can replace it with their logo or so.
> >
> >
> > Given that this picture would appear only if no document has been
> opened, I
> > don't see the use of allowing customization of the upfront graphic. (That
> > would just encourage people NOT to open any documents -- that's not what
> we
> > want.) I'd also like to avoid fancy graphics, as it'd be a stark
> difference
> > to go from no recent files with a fancy graphic to a single thumbnail of
> a
> > recent file and the rest of the window blank and, as per our minimalism
> > principle, I'd like to keep our UI as simple as possible.
> >
> > As I understand it, it's not a wallpaper Kendy's looking for, but rather
> an
> > indicator that there are no recent files to display.
> >
> > Care to confirm, Kendy?
>
> Terribly sorry - best to keep me CC'd for quick turnaround :-)
>
> I was more looking for a wallpaper (as K-J suggests) or the 'welcome
> information' (as Cor said) - I think it gives better first time
> experience than a 'no recent documents found'...

What do you think about something like
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/3/38/Mirek2-start.png ?

On another note, I have some feedback about the dialog:
1) Icons should be sized based on the global icon size setting. If that's
impossible, large icons should be used. (BTW, it'd be great if it could use
icons from the cmd directory. The icons that are not in there -- I'm
thinking the icons for the individual modules, correct me if I'm wrong --
should be added there and should be adjusted to the icon size standard for
other toolbar icons in the set.)
2) Icons should have standard layout. (I ripped off the layout in my mockup
from gedit, but I'm sure there are official Gnome guidelines somewhere.)
3) It would be excellent if the dialog kept a size separate from the main
module windows (i.e. if it didn't transform into module windows). Unlike
those windows, the dialog is well-suited for small sizes.
4) Despite my wireframe, I'm now thinking that the best place for the
toolbar would be the bottom. The dialog is currently too top-heavy.
5) The tabs look messy -- the active tab has a light gray 1px line on the
bottom that shouldn't be there, and the inactive tabs should be separated
from the thumbnail area by a 1px border. This applies to the tab widget in
general.
6) As I said to you before, it'd be great if the toolbar contents could
adapt to the window size, but I understand if that's impossible to do.
7) As I also said before, I'd love to get rid of the menu bar in that
window, possibly replacing it with a gear menu at the end of the toolbar
(or not replacing it at all).

> Sorry for not being clear in my request :-(
>
> Thank you in advance,
> Kendy

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