Re: [libreoffice-design] Default Writer Template

Hi Ahmad,

On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Ahmad Hussein Al-Harthi <
aalharthi@kacst.edu.sa> wrote:

>  Hi all,
>
> > From: *Nagy Ákos*
>
>
> > I recomand to change the Footnote Charecters style too.
> > Usualy users and publishers like that the Footnote Characters is in
> > Superscript. For this you need to change the "Footnote Charecters"
> > Character Style.
>
>    Done, thanks for the comment :)
>
>
>
> > From: *Merik*
>
>
> > Sorry for the late reply.
>      > So, my comments:
>  > I'd still like Headings to be Sans and the text Serif, or vice versa.
> I'm not alone in this idea -- using a different font for headings and for
> body text is a common practice. There are websites dedicated to font
> pairings, and the use of these pairings is why OOXML themes let the user
> choose a font for headings and a different font for body text.
>
>    I'm not against the idea, but try it on low reselution screens. I
> didn't like mixed Liberation sans and serif...

I am trying it on my netbook, with the resolution of 1024*576 -- not the
worst of resolutions, but certainly could be better. We've been using the
combination for quite some time and I haven't heard major complaints. I'd
like to stick with it.


>    Anyway, I made your changes plus others, please let me know what you
> think?

* Text body should be 12pt for better legibility.
* Headings should be better differentiated. The size differences are
obvious when compared near each other, but are easily lost in large bodies
of text. I'd be happier if bold, italic, and color were used for
differentiation.
* As per http://practicaltypography.com/summary-of-key-rules.html, I'd say
underlining should not be used in headings.

>  > I'm a bit concerned about centering table contents. Centered text is
> generally harder to read and can get in the way if you have to compare
> data. I'd rather they were left-aligned (right-aligned for RTL languages,
> of course).
>
>    Yes, you're right.

Please update this in your proposal. :)

>    > In general, I'd like styles to be relative, not hard-coded. That
> means that the Heading style should hold the font family, for example, not
> each individual heading.
>
>    This needs some work, which I'll try to be involved in some time later.
> The whole styling system needs a review and reorganizing.

Sounds good.

> > I now also realize why the LibreOffice styles used decimal point values
> -- the headings were saved as percentages, which, come to think of it,
> isn't a bad idea.
>
>    Percentage is and ems are the future, since we're going to support web,
> Android, and others.

What I meant was that substyles used percentage values of the parent style,
which was still in points.
In general, we should stick to points, at least with Writer, as it's
tailored toward print.

>  > I'm still not entirely happy with the headings. As I said earlier, I'd
> prefer if superior headings weren't lighter than subordinate headings (i.e.
> Heading 3 shouldn't be lighter than Heading 5) and I'd like there to be
> some differentiation between heading 7-10.
>
>    Done, but Isn't better we get rid of headings 7-10?

OK, I guess that sounds good.

>  > I'd also like the subtitle to be lighter.
>
>    Done.
>
>
>  > Here's something more along the lines of what I'd imagine:
> http://ubuntuone.com/4Ng8kwHYlwY3Cs32cEr2y2 . (There are a few more
> elements used in the document, remove them for a direct comparison.)
>
>     Please let me know about this one
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/d/d6/Template_mixed_fonts.odtI've removed bold weights 
> from all headings, sans vs serif should make
> headers clear wihtout being bold. Notice the spaces around table elements.
>
>
>
>    Ahmad
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