Re: [libreoffice-design] SIdebar Navigation

Mirek,


> I'd prefer to stick to the HIG in this case. Almost every other Android app
> uses the form of navigation described in the HIG, and if we don't adhere to
> it, we'll feel alien on the platform.


I knew that you would chime in saying that we should stick to the HIG.
Every other app uses that form of navigation because its in the HIG (that
Is Human Interface * Guidelines* not absolutely must be this way  rules).
LibreOffice will already be alien to the platform for there are no other
apps like it(other then the very very very crappy M$O knockoffs on the
platform). many apps are switching to this new navigation or already have
something similar(springpad, spotify the youversion bible app are two that
I can think of). not to mention that Google's Gmail, and Google maps kinda
use this, like the youversion bible app its not quite the same but its
still similar.


> You yourself linked to an article criticizing Facebook's non-native form
> of navigation [1].

I did not actually read the artical I was using it to show what facebook
and spotify do and show what that the google apps do something similar.


> I also don't see what advantage this bar would hold for us.


the main advantage is that you do not have to hit the home button then
click new document to create a new document, you could click menu new. that
may not seem like much of a difference but with the way it is now the home
page would have to load before you could click create new document
and seance the current home page is the file manager the user may have many
documents making the home page larger  making the load time longer. with
the Facebook side menu the menu would just pop out and be quite fast.


> The items in your mockup would be just as accessible elsewhere, in places
> deemed
> appropriate by the HIG, or wouldn't be necessary at all.


yes thats the point, I could click home load the page then go to (new doc,
templates, or select item print or share or rename). witch wouldn't be
necessary at all? I think you may be talking about rename, print, share,
close options, about? the best part about the side bar is that it could
also hold menu items that you would find in the desktops file menu or
other useful things. not only is it a navigation tool.


Under your proposal, it takes two taps to get to each of the items in the
> menu (one on the icon, second on the menu item).

When following the HIG: The "File browser" would be accessed using the "Up"
> button with a single
> tap. The "New" buttons and "Templates" would be accessed in the file
> browser
> with two taps -- one tap to get to the browser, one tap on one of the
> buttons.


yes to get to the file browser it would take one tap of ether the home
button or the back/up arrow and the app would still use that to navigate.
but it would still take two taps and load time to get to "new" and
"templates". thats more time then two taps.

"Rename", "Print", and "Share" are all items that belong in the document's
> overflow menu, as they're all actions to be done on the document. The
> user shouldn't have to look for them elsewhere.


you say that these should be in the overflow menu because thats where they
are on the desktop because thats where they have always been on the
desktop, but IMHO these options should not be there on the desktop.  on the
table and phone this is stupid to place them there. the split button would
also be a document menu like in your citrus UI, a place where people would
expect to find these items. when I think of tool bar I think it should hold
things like tools to work on a new document, not things I should be doing
to a finished document.

And here they would be accessed with two taps as well. "Options" belongs in
> the overflow menu as well -- two taps.


again why should this be in the overflow menu, because its there on the
desktop, that is not a reason for it to be there.


> I don't think we need an "About" item (and if we did, it belongs in the
> overflow as well).

why don't we need an about item. and again it should not be in the overflow
menu. by this time the overflow menu (while for OVERFOW) is way OVERFLOWING
and has too much in there.

but we certainly don't want a "Close" item.


yes we most certainly do my good friend, just hitting the home menu on the
phone keys or back arrow a few time does not close the app, and its not a
good thing to keep apps open useing all our users resources. when I want to
close an app I want to do it in the app not some other app. also another
reason  this is in there is think about how you can close the desktop app.
you have clicking the "X,red circal" clicking file > Exit, and you have
ctrl+W or Q. there needs to be many ways to do some things. yes some of
these things could just be placed in the apps menu dialog when the user
hits the phones menu key, but some people do not know that you can do that
all the time, some apps you can not do that all the time.

the side bar is not only a navigation tool but like the file menu and much
more. I was not sure what to place in each screen but all I was trying to
show is that the menu is contextual depending on what screen you are in. we
would need to figure out what all belongs in there.

cheers,
Andrew

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