Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-design] APP/Online LibreOffice

Hi Andrew,

Em 25-10-2011 08:00, Andrew Pullins <android2772@gmail.com> escreveu:
> I do not understand, what questions are you talking about. one question I do
> have for the hole mailing list is what do you think of Citrus. have you
> looked at it. there are some who have said that they are interested in the
> UI apart from me and Mirek but they have not joined in his and my
> conversation back and fourth.
>
> what does every one think of it. it is the most complete UI that has
> been purposed that I know of. here [1] is Mirek's LO wiki page that goes
> through the basics about how it works, and here [2] is his blog that goes
> through much more in detail about it. he is working on something, but I do
> not know what. have not seen him in a while.
I don't think Citrus is a bad idea, on the whole. The problem with it 
is: they have been conceived as a whole. Things should look pretty, of 
course (my girlfriend loves LibreOffice, but my brother won't use it 
unless it looks better -- same story everywhere), but that's not our 
only concern: we already have a large userbase, and a way of how things 
work in the interface. You cannot simply change this overnight. But you 
know that.
So, assuming you know that, this is not a matter of embracing Mirek's 
design or not, but whether to embrace it in each part. That's why 
there's is the UI_Elements [1] page: we should see them as parts, 
discuss one by one and find out if it's for better to change it or not. 
Small changes are easier to do, to manage, to get used to (from a user 
and developer point of view), but most of all, it needs hacking, so you 
cannot go to devs and say: "this is how we would like the whole 
application to look". You have to take one small part and convince them 
that it would be important to change this one, because it would better 
this and that.
Even inside our team: even if Citrus is a good idea (which I'm not 
convinced about, but this is off-topic now), there could be better 
solutions for each element. This discussion sounds the same as the 
(thankfully dead) ribbon/not ribbon one. Because it's not a matter of 
changing the whole interface (that's the mistake Microsoft did, but 
that's according to theirs, not ours, model of business), it's a matter 
of enhancing small parts at each time.

That leads to the question, what do we want from LibreOffice, often 
raised (Christoph mentions that again from the Paris conference -- miss 
the link now, sorry). We should discuss that instead of 
Citrus/Ribbon/any ready-magic solution.

Cheers,
Rafael

[1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/UI_Elements

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