RE: [libreoffice-design] LibreOffice dialog windows should conform with Linux's Standard "Command Button Layout"

lol. Yes, no matter what you do, you can't win =)

> Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 02:15:13 -0400
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-design] LibreOffice dialog windows should conform   with Linux's 
> Standard "Command Button Layout"
> From: android2772@gmail.com
> To: design@global.libreoffice.org
>
> it just seems that you can not win no matter what we do.
>
> I don't have that problem, but I've got a different one: I always look
> > under "Edit" when trying to find the options. After using LibreOffice
> > for some time, I will suddenly try to find Firefox's preferences under
> > "Tools". This is very, very annoying to me.
>
>
> when using Firefox depending on weather your using linux or windows the
> option button art in a different spot as well.
>
> it sounds like Linux needs to set some standards while the majority is still
> developers.  for they will adapted more quickly and easily than general
> users.  then again it took my mom for ever to understand that there was no
> difference between Firefox and IE that both took you to the same internet.
>  I know that there is a big difference between the two but she though that
> you could only get to my school work through Firefox because thats what I
> use and deleted all icons of IE so people could not get on it.  any way
> there needs to be a standard or maybe we choose a standard and stick with
> it.  weather that is options in Edit or Tools, or save/discard/cancel,
> discard/save/cancel.  ether way we need to decide and  stick with
> that decision.
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Astron <heinzlesspam@googlemail.com>wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 4:31 PM, nick rundy <nrundy@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > @RGB ES:  Yes, you are absolutely right, I was referring to GNOME. I
> > apologize for my oversight.
> > > I point out the "command button layout" issue because of what I have
> > seen, which has already been brought up in the discussion. People tend to
> > develop a rote mentality of clicking an area. I often find myself (because
> > I'm used to working on GNOME) moving to the right corner of dialog windows
> > to click OK only to realize last second (while using LibreOffice) that OK is
> > positioned like it is in KDE/Windows. Of course KDE and MS-Windows users
> > automatically will move to the left to select OK because they are
> > conditioned for it.
> >
> > I don't have that problem, but I've got a different one: I always look
> > under "Edit" when trying to find the options. After using LibreOffice
> > for some time, I will suddenly try to find Firefox's preferences under
> > "Tools". This is very, very annoying to me.
> > In this case, the KDE behaviour is to have a "Settings" (or
> > "Preferences") menu ...
> > Because of that, if the placement of "Options" _in Linux builds_ were
> > changed to be under "Edit", it wouldn't even feel more alien to KDE
> > users.
> >
> >
> > > If changing this layout is a complicated matter Coding-Wise or resources
> > would be better allotted to working on other projects (e.g., I'd rather see
> > bug 39080 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39080  implemented
> > than the command button layout issue I'm speaking of here), then I urge you
> > guys to make that call. But if its not a big headache and other people feel
> > it is important enough to work on, I think conforming the dialog boxes to
> > the "standard button layout" of the desktop (i.e., KDE/Windows, Mac/GNOME)
> > adds to the integration and seamlessness of the LibreOffice UI. Ultimately I
> > just intended for my e-mail to bring this issue to people's attention so
> > there's awareness of it and the powers that be can make a decision on it. :)
> >
> > I'd rather see button placement changed than the addition of a draft
> > mode (I like the more physical feel of the standard mode), but that's
> > me.
> >
> > Astron.
> >
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