Re: [libreoffice-design] LibreOffice dialog windows should conform with Linux's Standard "Command Button Layout"

> I agree with what you're saying, but I think people tend to be at least
> somewhat more cautious in an office program and after one or two mishaps
> with the okay button (save all before closing, anyone?) people learn.


lesten people are stupid and when you get a hundred messages poping up every
day they do not read them.  the message could say "clicking yes will destroy
your project would you like to proceed Yes No Cancel" and some will still
click yes because they are tired of having popup's.


> We shouldn't really be trying to protect the user from themselves, and most
> seem to get along fine the way it is (verbs anyway, not that I disagree
> with
> this).


why shouldn't we try to protect the user from themselves.  I know its not
like they are going to leave because they keep messing up with our program.
 but every other program is starting to realize that this is a problem.  and
if we are going to try to change all the dialog boxes any way so that
depending on weather your on Linux, Mac, or Windows it looks the same as
every other program on that system, witch we should do to because
to reduce confusion and inconvenience. why not change them so that the user
does not make the wrong choice because they only read the buttons.


On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 2:29 AM, Christoph Noack <christoph@dogmatux.com>wrote:

> Hi Christopher, hi Nick!
>
> Nick, thanks for your feedback - and I don't know whether this helps or
> not, but it is a known issue for some years now. Unfortunately, changing
> that (in a way that it makes real sense) requires to use something
> called "Layout Manager", so that we can switch button orders depending
> on the platform.
>
> At least, I've documented that some time ago in the Design Team's "What
> We Need" list:
>
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Kick-Off/WhatWeNeed#LibreOffice_Technical_Basis
>
> The last time I talked about that with some developers was at the Fosdem
> in February - the work seems a bit stalled at the moment (or let's say:
> nobody actively picked that topic).
>
> So if anybody wants to work on / advertise that topic - highly
> appreciated.
>
> Am Freitag, den 15.07.2011, 21:06 -0400 schrieb Christopher Lee:
> > We shouldn't forget that LibreOffice is a cross-platform program and
> > that we may also want to consider that people will expect similar
> > behavior from the program no matter where they're running it. On the
> > other hand, the order of the buttons really doesn't seem like it would
> > be hard to implement. Maybe obey system defaults and have an option to
> > rearrange?
>
> Christopher, I noticed several times that you wrote something like
> "doesn't seem ... hard to implement" where it is - in fact - hard work.
> So although I don't know if you are a developer working on LibreOffice
> (by the way, I'm not a programmer), we should ask on the dev list for
> such effort estimations.
>
> I this recent case, it's almost no problem to change the button order
> for one dialog - but the issue is that we do have hundreds of them
> hard-coded.
>
> Cheers,
> Christoph
>
>
>
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> >
> >
> > On Friday, July 15, 2011 at 9:03 PM, nick rundy wrote:
> >
> > > LibreOffice presently uses a Microsoft Windows command button layout in
> its Dialog windows even when installed on a Linux distribution. Linux
> installations of LibreOffice should conform with the command button layout
> that is standard with virtually all other linux applications. For example,
> MS Windows displays "OK Cancel." Linux displays "Cancel OK."
> > > I've uploaded some screenshots to illustrate what I'm describing (
> http://imgur.com/a/Tmmn1#X7ym4). Notice how the screen shots conform with
> how MS Windows lays out its command buttons instead of how Linux
> applications display them?
> > > MS Windows: Save Discard CancelGNU-Linux: Cancel Discard Save
> > > MS Windows: OK Cancel Help ResetGNU-Linux: Reset Help Cancel OK
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