On Sun, 2011-07-17 at 02:15 -0400, Andrew Pullins wrote:
it just seems that you can not win no matter what we do.
I don't have that problem, but I've got a different one: I always look
under "Edit" when trying to find the options. After using LibreOffice
for some time, I will suddenly try to find Firefox's preferences under
"Tools". This is very, very annoying to me.
when using Firefox depending on weather your using linux or windows the
option button art in a different spot as well.
it sounds like Linux needs to set some standards while the majority is
still
developers. for they will adapted more quickly and easily than general
users. then again it took my mom for ever to understand that there was
no
difference between Firefox and IE that both took you to the same
internet.
The problem is that are true standards for a GUI. What we call standards
are defacto ones based on earlier GUI's, experience, and personal
preference. Linux developers are noted for trying different GUI ideas
both with different GUI (Gnome, KDE, Unity, Enlightenment, etc.) and the
GUI implementation, It is annoying to some and liberating to others
because people are experimenting.
I know that there is a big difference between the two but she though
that
you could only get to my school work through Firefox because thats what I
use and deleted all icons of IE so people could not get on it. any way
there needs to be a standard or maybe we choose a standard and stick with
it. weather that is options in Edit or Tools, or save/discard/cancel,
discard/save/cancel. ether way we need to decide and stick with
that decision.
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Astron <heinzlesspam@googlemail.com
wrote:
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 4:31 PM, nick rundy <nrundy@hotmail.com>
wrote:
@RGB ES: Yes, you are absolutely right, I was referring to GNOME. I
apologize for my oversight.
I point out the "command button layout" issue because of what I have
seen, which has already been brought up in the discussion. People tend
to
develop a rote mentality of clicking an area. I often find myself
(because
I'm used to working on GNOME) moving to the right corner of dialog
windows
to click OK only to realize last second (while using LibreOffice) that
OK is
positioned like it is in KDE/Windows. Of course KDE and MS-Windows
users
automatically will move to the left to select OK because they are
conditioned for it.
I don't have that problem, but I've got a different one: I always look
under "Edit" when trying to find the options. After using LibreOffice
for some time, I will suddenly try to find Firefox's preferences under
"Tools". This is very, very annoying to me.
In this case, the KDE behaviour is to have a "Settings" (or
"Preferences") menu ...
Because of that, if the placement of "Options" _in Linux builds_ were
changed to be under "Edit", it wouldn't even feel more alien to KDE
users.
If changing this layout is a complicated matter Coding-Wise or
resources
would be better allotted to working on other projects (e.g., I'd rather
see
bug 39080 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39080 implemented
than the command button layout issue I'm speaking of here), then I urge
you
guys to make that call. But if its not a big headache and other people
feel
it is important enough to work on, I think conforming the dialog boxes
to
the "standard button layout" of the desktop (i.e., KDE/Windows,
Mac/GNOME)
adds to the integration and seamlessness of the LibreOffice UI.
Ultimately I
just intended for my e-mail to bring this issue to people's attention
so
there's awareness of it and the powers that be can make a decision on
it. :)
I'd rather see button placement changed than the addition of a draft
mode (I like the more physical feel of the standard mode), but that's
me.
Astron.
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