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maybe like this? http://i.imgur.com/LHvxp.png



wow this is grate, I don't know what it all says but thank you Google
translate. so would you click the drop down bar that says Application
Backg... and choose things like page color,  margin outline color ect. And
the general would be things like, Tool Bars, Headers, Footers, and other
things.  its better than what I was imagined when it was suggested.

I think that the second option is good. It makes it so that you can select
exactly what you would want.

On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 3:12 AM, Christopher Lee
<gunboatdebater@gmail.com>wrote:


Ich finde dass ziemlich super!  Und deine Emglisch ist auch ganz gut. ;)

Okay, now that we've established that my Grammatik is not up to snuff, your
mockup looks really good.  I'm not entirely sold on the second row (General

Application Background), but it's clear and useful.


I am surprised that you didn't find it-- even in German, I found the option
relatively quickly. Then again, I had prior knowledge and some German to
help.  But the options dialogue as a whole could really use some love.

Christopher Lee
Executive Director
Champion Debate

On Jul 15, 2011, at 2:59 AM, Alex B <list.3blz@yahoo.de> wrote:


Since i'm using OOo/libO for almost 2 years now, and never found the

option to change the application background color, this can mean two things:


I. Something is wrong with me.
II. Something is wrong with the options dialog.


(in my defence, it's way harder to find in german, than in english)

I took a deeper look at the options dialog and i must say, it's quite

confusing sometimes, but thats an other topic.



I think, the whole apperance options would be easier to use if:

- The apperance dialog is more prominent.
- A view color schemes are included in the default installation.
- There is a small live-preview.

maybe like this? http://i.imgur.com/LHvxp.png


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And while I agree that it's not an art program, it's also fair to make

this comparison considering how many colors are offered in the LibreOffice
options dialogue. We can deal with dropdown menus for changing font colors
since most people use a >limited selection anyway (of course, with a Shore
More . . . along the way), but there must be over a hundred offered in those
dropdown lists.


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On Friday, July 15, 2011 at 1:31 AM, Andrew Pullins wrote:



this is not a Art program. but I see what you mean, palates are grate. I
am working on a new UI right now, and will be uploading my ideas in a

few

days... or maybe tomorrow. hope to get some feed back from everyone.

On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 1:25 AM, Christopher Lee
<gunboatdebater@gmail.com (mailto:gunboatdebater@gmail.com)>wrote:


I was looking at the options that we are talking about after I read

this.

but I think that the color pickers could be made easier to understand.
probably the hole options menu, but I have not read through the hole

thing.
Definitely. I don't see dropdown lists as being an ideal means of

picking a

color for a multitude of reasons. 1) There are a lot of colors, and
scrolling through a long list is tedious. 2) You can only see a small
selection at any given time, making it harder to compare two colors. 3)

It's

difficult to guess where the colors are, as they're in no real logical

order

for the end user. 4) Lack of customization. 5) It's just not the right
interface. Art programs use palates for a reason.

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Christopher Lee
Executive Director
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On Friday, July 15, 2011 at 1:17 AM, Andrew Pullins wrote:


I was looking at the options that we are talking about after I read

this.

but I think that the color pickers could be made easier to understand.
probably the hole options menu, but I have not read through the hole

thing.


For all the user cares, a simplified image just showing the page, the

general toolbar area, and so on would probably be sufficient



I think that this is a good idea we could make different pages for

what

colors the user is choosing at that time. so when the user is choosing

the

page Header and page Footer it shows them what they will look like.

On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 12:40 AM, Christopher Lee
<gunboatdebater@gmail.com (mailto:gunboatdebater@gmail.com)>wrote:


I don't think it would be that hard to do a preview-- you wouldn't

even

need to have it be completely representative. For all the user cares,

a

simplified image just showing the page, the general toolbar area, and

so on

would probably be sufficient-- and it would be no harder to implement

than

an apply button from a programming perspective (probably simpler,
actually!). I'm not saying Apply is bad, but the dialogue for options

right

now is kind of huge, especially for tight screens.

--
Christopher Lee
Executive Director
Champion Debate


On Thursday, July 14, 2011 at 11:48 PM, Andrew Pullins wrote:




I like the idea that the colors and them be a "live preview" it

will

just

be some time before that is implemented it sounds complicated. but

till

then I think that the Apply button will work nicely.

On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 6:45 PM, RGB ES <rgb.mldc@gmail.com(mailto:

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2011/7/15 Christopher Lee <gunboatdebater@gmail.com (mailto:

gunboatdebater@gmail.com) (mailto:

gunboatdebater@gmail.com (mailto:gunboatdebater@gmail.com)) (mailto:

gunboatdebater@gmail.com (mailto:gunboatdebater@gmail.com))>:

Ricardo,


Already possible: Tools → Options → LibreOffice → Appearance →

change

"Application background" from "Default" to your preferred

colour.

If

you need a different colour define a new one under Tool →

Options →

LibreOffice → Colors: your new colour will be available when

you

change the background.

It may already be possible, it's fairly deep in the menu trees

for

someone trying to do something simple. It's also not equipped with

a

live

preview or any semblance of an attempt at matching color schemes,

and

the

color picker is kind of dated/ugly (choose from a dropdown list? A

color?

Out of some forty or fifty sets? Not a good idea!). I think Alex is

just

suggesting that 1) We could change the default, which is sensible,

and

2) At

least make it more apparent.

The whole LibO's colour management needs a rewrite, I think that
everyone agrees with that. IMHO, without a proper way to select AND
define colours, the "already possible" solution is the only

possible

answer... we can talk for hours on end about how
difficult/deep/whatever the options are, but I think we need to
discuss first of all about the colour palette: only then we will be
able to discuss how to use those colours.
For a "live preview" I think it is enough (1) to extend the "Apply"
button we see on style management since 3.4 to the Option dialogue.

(1) In the mathematical sense of the word: I have no idea how
difficult it is to add the Apply button there, but I'm sure it is
enough to solve the problem, so it is a "Sufficient condition"...

:)


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