Re: [libreoffice-design] [proposal] Dark application background

so what your saying is the the options are like my attached file.  thats
what I was confused about yesterday was I did not know where these options
were coming from.

On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Alex B <list.3blz@yahoo.de> wrote:

> i translated it, and added a screenshot of the old dialog, so you can see
> what would be the changes. http://http://i.imgur.com/zhZSv.png
>
> the idea is, that you first select in general what you want to change
> (General, HTML Document, Spreadsheet etc.) from the the drop down menu and
> than  you choose the specific part whom's color you want to change.
>
> so if you want to change the application background, you would select
> "General" » "Application background". If you wan to change the color of the
> keyword highlighting, you select "HTML Document" » "Keyword highlighting"
> and select a color.
>
> A color-picker like this would also be nice for adding colors or other
> color-dialogs in LibO, i think im going to create a wiki page about this
> topic.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> I pretty much got the what it said  but if it will help other people who
> read this. but it is not that hard to use translate.
>
> On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 1:06 AM, Christopher Lee
> <gunboatdebater@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > If needed, I can translate the text and reupload the image.  My German's
> > not
> > fantastic but there's nothing out of my range on this screenie.
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 12:58 AM, Andrew Pullins <android2772@gmail.com
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > > maybe like this? http://i.imgur.com/LHvxp.png
> > >
> > >
> > > wow this is grate, I don't know what it all says but thank you Google
> > > translate. so would you click the drop down bar that says Application
> > > Backg... and choose things like page color,  margin outline color ect.
> > And
> > > the general would be things like, Tool Bars, Headers, Footers, and
> other
> > > things.  its better than what I was imagined when it was suggested.
> > >
> > > I think that the second option is good. It makes it so that you can
> > select
> > > exactly what you would want.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 3:12 AM, Christopher Lee
> > > <gunboatdebater@gmail.com>wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ich finde dass ziemlich super!  Und deine Emglisch ist auch ganz gut.
> > ;)
> > > > Okay, now that we've established that my Grammatik is not up to
> snuff,
> > > your
> > > > mockup looks really good.  I'm not entirely sold on the second row
> > > (General
> > > > > > Application Background), but it's clear and useful.
> > > >
> > > > I am surprised that you didn't find it-- even in German, I found the
> > > option
> > > > relatively quickly. Then again, I had prior knowledge and some German
> > to
> > > > help.  But the options dialogue as a whole could really use some
> love.
> > > > Christopher Lee
> > > > Executive Director
> > > > Champion Debate
> > > >
> > > > On Jul 15, 2011, at 2:59 AM, Alex B <list.3blz@yahoo.de> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Since i'm using OOo/libO for almost 2 years now, and never found
> the
> > > > option to change the application background color, this can mean two
> > > things:
> > > > > I. Something is wrong with me.
> > > > > II. Something is wrong with the options dialog.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > (in my defence, it's way harder to find in german, than in english)
> > > > >
> > > > > I took a deeper look at the options dialog and i must say, it's
> quite
> > > > confusing sometimes, but thats an other topic.
> > > > > I think, the whole apperance options would be easier to use if:
> > > > >
> > > > > - The apperance dialog is more prominent.
> > > > > - A view color schemes are included in the default installation.
> > > > > - There is a small live-preview.
> > > > >
> > > > > maybe like this? http://i.imgur.com/LHvxp.png
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > And while I agree that it's not an art program, it's also fair to
> > make
> > > > this comparison considering how many colors are offered in the
> > > LibreOffice
> > > > options dialogue. We can deal with dropdown menus for changing font
> > > colors
> > > > since most people use a >limited selection anyway (of course, with a
> > > Shore
> > > > More . . . along the way), but there must be over a hundred offered
> in
> > > those
> > > > dropdown lists.
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Christopher Lee
> > > > > > Executive Director
> > > > > > Champion Debate
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Friday, July 15, 2011 at 1:31 AM, Andrew Pullins wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > this is not a Art program. but I see what you mean, palates are
> > grate.
> > > I
> > > > > > am working on a new UI right now, and will be uploading my ideas
> in
> > a
> > > > few
> > > > > > days... or maybe tomorrow. hope to get some feed back from
> everyone.
> > > > > > On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 1:25 AM, Christopher Lee
> > > > > > <gunboatdebater@gmail.com (mailto:gunboatdebater@gmail.com
> )>wrote:
> > > > > > > > I was looking at the options that we are talking about after I
> > read
> > > > this.
> > > > > > > > but I think that the color pickers could be made easier to
> > > understand.
> > > > > > > > probably the hole options menu, but I have not read through the
> > hole
> > > > > > > thing.
> > > > > > > Definitely. I don't see dropdown lists as being an ideal means of
> > > > picking a
> > > > > > > color for a multitude of reasons. 1) There are a lot of colors,
> and
> > > > > > > scrolling through a long list is tedious. 2) You can only see a
> > small
> > > > > > > selection at any given time, making it harder to compare two
> > colors.
> > > 3)
> > > > It's
> > > > > > > difficult to guess where the colors are, as they're in no real
> > > logical
> > > > order
> > > > > > > for the end user. 4) Lack of customization. 5) It's just not the
> > > right
> > > > > > > interface. Art programs use palates for a reason.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Christopher Lee
> > > > > > > Executive Director
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Friday, July 15, 2011 at 1:17 AM, Andrew Pullins wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I was looking at the options that we are talking about after I
> > read
> > > > this.
> > > > > > > > but I think that the color pickers could be made easier to
> > > understand.
> > > > > > > > probably the hole options menu, but I have not read through the
> > hole
> > > > > > > thing.
> > > > > > > > For all the user cares, a simplified image just showing the
> page,
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > general toolbar area, and so on would probably be sufficient
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I think that this is a good idea we could make different pages
> for
> > > > what
> > > > > > > > colors the user is choosing at that time. so when the user is
> > > choosing
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > page Header and page Footer it shows them what they will look
> > like.
> > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 12:40 AM, Christopher Lee
> > > > > > > > <gunboatdebater@gmail.com (mailto:gunboatdebater@gmail.com
> > )>wrote:
> > > > > > > > > I don't think it would be that hard to do a preview-- you
> > wouldn't
> > > > even
> > > > > > > > > need to have it be completely representative. For all the user
> > > cares,
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > > simplified image just showing the page, the general toolbar
> area,
> > > and
> > > > > > > so on
> > > > > > > > > would probably be sufficient-- and it would be no harder to
> > > implement
> > > > > > > than
> > > > > > > > > an apply button from a programming perspective (probably
> simpler,
> > > > > > > > > actually!). I'm not saying Apply is bad, but the dialogue for
> > > options
> > > > > > > right
> > > > > > > > > now is kind of huge, especially for tight screens.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > Christopher Lee
> > > > > > > > > Executive Director
> > > > > > > > > Champion Debate
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Thursday, July 14, 2011 at 11:48 PM, Andrew Pullins wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I like the idea that the colors and them be a "live preview"
> it
> > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > > be some time before that is implemented it sounds complicated.
> > but
> > > > > > > till
> > > > > > > > > > then I think that the Apply button will work nicely.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 6:45 PM, RGB ES <rgb.mldc@gmail.com
> > > (mailto:
> > > > rgb.mldc@gmail.com) (mailto:
> > > > > > > rgb.mldc@gmail.com (mailto:rgb.mldc@gmail.com)) (mailto:
> > > > > > > > > rgb.mldc@gmail.com (mailto:rgb.mldc@gmail.com))> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > 2011/7/15 Christopher Lee <gunboatdebater@gmail.com (mailto:
> > > > gunboatdebater@gmail.com) (mailto:
> > > > > > > gunboatdebater@gmail.com (mailto:gunboatdebater@gmail.com))
> > (mailto:
> > > > > > > > > gunboatdebater@gmail.com (mailto:gunboatdebater@gmail.com))>:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Ricardo,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Already possible: Tools → Options → LibreOffice →
> Appearance
> > →
> > > > > > > > > change
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "Application background" from "Default" to your preferred
> > > > > > > colour.
> > > > > > > > > If
> > > > > > > > > > > > > you need a different colour define a new one under Tool →
> > > > > > > Options →
> > > > > > > > > > > > > LibreOffice → Colors: your new colour will be available
> when
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > change the background.
> > > > > > > > > > > > It may already be possible, it's fairly deep in the menu
> trees
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > someone trying to do something simple. It's also not equipped
> > > with
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > live
> > > > > > > > > > > preview or any semblance of an attempt at matching color
> > schemes,
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > color picker is kind of dated/ugly (choose from a dropdown
> > list?
> > > A
> > > > > > > > > color?
> > > > > > > > > > > Out of some forty or fifty sets? Not a good idea!). I think
> > Alex
> > > is
> > > > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > > > suggesting that 1) We could change the default, which is
> > > sensible,
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > 2) At
> > > > > > > > > > > least make it more apparent.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The whole LibO's colour management needs a rewrite, I think
> > that
> > > > > > > > > > > everyone agrees with that. IMHO, without a proper way to
> select
> > > AND
> > > > > > > > > > > define colours, the "already possible" solution is the only
> > > > > > > possible
> > > > > > > > > > > answer... we can talk for hours on end about how
> > > > > > > > > > > difficult/deep/whatever the options are, but I think we need
> to
> > > > > > > > > > > discuss first of all about the colour palette: only then we
> > will
> > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > able to discuss how to use those colours.
> > > > > > > > > > > For a "live preview" I think it is enough (1) to extend the
> > > "Apply"
> > > > > > > > > > > button we see on style management since 3.4 to the Option
> > > dialogue.
> > > > > > > > > > > (1) In the mathematical sense of the word: I have no idea how
> > > > > > > > > > > difficult it is to add the Apply button there, but I'm sure
> it
> > is
> > > > > > > > > > > enough to solve the problem, so it is a "Sufficient
> > condition"...
> > > > > > > :)
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