Re: [libreoffice-design] Questions about "style" name

Hi, 

please allow me to quickly add my thoughts ...

Am Montag, den 25.04.2011, 13:18 +0200 schrieb RGB ES:
> 2011/4/25 Michel RENON <michel.renon@free.fr>:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Few days ago, there was a discussion about the "style" name :
> > http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/msg01436.html
> >
> > As I've been teaching the basic of OpenOffice 2 or 3 years ago, I can
> > confirm that the idea of "style sheet" is not obvious. But it seems to me
> > that the name "style sheet" doesn't help...
> >
> > I have a suggestion :
> > what if we completely replace the name "style" (used for style sheet) with
> > "template" ?

[...]

> > What do you think ?
> > Might it help some users ?

[...]

> I'm not so sure... I agree that the concept is not simple (I also have
> experience teaching the use of Writer), but I don't think that a new
> wording could make things easier.

I second this thought ... the name itself is less an issue. The concept
of styles is an issue in several languages (and those guys usually tweak
the naming), therefore renaming in English might have limited effect
only. It might also lead to the contrary - since many Microsoft Office
users are aware of the term "Style".

In my point-of-view, it is an issue that people can hardly experience
the functionality - even by trial and error. And since its hard to use,
we even hide the Stylist per default ... so even less people stumble
over the fact that the Stylist is a powerful tool.

<fun>By the way, will we rename the Stylist to Templatist?</fun>


We discussed this issue many times at OOo, and I came to the following
(personal) conclusion; we need ...
      * a more sensible selection of styles (e.g. attach the list styles
        to the paragraph styles intended for list use)
      * an improved Stylist that makes less use of double-clicks and and
        context menus (a bit different to what Rafael proposed) -->
        single click confirmation
      * a real preview of each Style in the Stylist
      * a real preview for the Styles drop-down in the toolbar
      * a better connection between the Style drop-down, the Stylist
        on/off icon to make the idea of styles more clear
      * a more intelligent ordering of styles (not too smart, but smart
        enough to present the styles used in the document along with not
        used ones)

Of course, there are other ways of improving the use of Styles ... but
this needs a whiteboard :-)


Ricardo, Michel, all - what do you think? Something we might work out
for EasyHacks?

> IMO, the chain Format → Style → Template is perfectly valid and do not
> need to be changed.

By the way, Word 2007ff: Format → Style → Design → Template

Cheers,
Christoph


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