Re: [libreoffice-design] Specification for Document Background (...)

Hi Sébastien, all!

After the mail to Andrew (see below), I retouched some of the graphics
and started to improve the SVG file to export the mask files ... but
then I run into problems.

Sébastien, I have a questions concerning the "tiling" and the position
of the small bitmaps. For example, the page-bottomright-shadow-mask.png
is a 10x10 px large and requires the right and bottom shadows to be
equal along the side of the document. Unfortunately, this prevents us to
use "natural" shadows.

So here is an example for the "bottom right" edge of the document.

                                              |aaaaaaaaa
                                              |aaaaaaaaa
                                              |aaaaaaaaa
                                              |bbbbbbbbb
                                              |bbbbbbbbb
        --------------------------------------+ccccccccc
        eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeedddcccccccccc
        eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeedddcccccccccc
        eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeedddcccccccccc
        eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeedddcccccccccc
        
        a, e = side shadow (doesn't change along the page side)
        b, d = shadow between document side and edge
        c    = shadow at the bottom right edge
        -, + = document side / edge

Besides the fact that this is only a qualitative explanation, our recent
mask files only cover a+c+e which results in a strange look. So either
introduce mask files für b and d additionally (which will result in a
lot complexity for the whole page), or we may use mask files for the
edges that contain b+c+d. But, then a part of the file musn't cover the
document ...

The Draw / Impress shadows seem to look high-quality, so I think they
somehow solved that problem. So my question to you - do you have an idea
how to solve that für Writer? (If there is a chance to do so?)

Sorry for bothering you with that ... :-\

Cheers,
Christoph

Am Sonntag, den 17.04.2011, 00:09 +0200 schrieb Christoph Noack:
> Hi Andrew, all!
>
> Just a quick update ... Sébastien mentioned on the developer list that
> there are now document shadows for Impress and Draw. I think that this
> is the work by the OOo guys who do these improvements along with others
> for Project Renaissance. Besides this good message (a good coverage of
> pleasing shadows within the applications), the style varies ...
>
> Am Montag, den 04.04.2011, 07:23 +0100 schrieb Andrew:
> > On 03/04/11 20:58, Christoph Noack wrote:
> >
> > > @ Andrew: Does that still meet what you've intended with your proposal
> > > in fdo bug 31251? By applying the Tango Guidelines, I came very close to
> > > your initial shadow design.
> >
> > Looks good Christoph, however I still don't like that the shadow is
> > off-centre. Whilst I can see that using the Tango guidelines, you came
> > to a logical conclusion, because strictly this is not an icon, I don't
> > think it should apply.
>
> Okay, two weeks (or so) passed by and I'll have a look at the shadows
> again ... but please let me explain why I think the Tango Guidelines
> apply. Disclaimer / hope: Not meant to start a huge debate, but to
> explain my rationale ... it may still be that I'm wrong.
>
> During the last years, user interfaces got a bit more "depth" ...
> leading to gradients and shadows (for example). To be "authentic" to the
> user, this requires to present it like it will look in the real world.
>
> For icons and symbols, 3D effects have been used since a long time,
> because they have to visualize (complex) metaphors. So the designers
> needed a guideline quite early ... this led to the general "lightning
> from top" nearly all desktops consider today.
>
> But - having consistency in mind - this also applies to the rest of the
> desktop and its programs. At least the "top lighting" should be
> considered, the "slightly to the left" might be debatable ;-)
>
> Ah, by the way, I had a look at different programs - so just for
> information:
>       * MSO 2007 (Word) --> shadow bottom right
>       * LibO 3.4 (Impress) --> shadow centered, slightly moved towards
>         bottom
>       * MSO 2010 (Word) --> shadow centered, slightly moved towards
>         bottom, other applications seem to differ (e.g. Visio)
>       * MSO 2011 Mac --> shadow centered (looks strange on the pictures
>         I saw, but also introduces another shadow for the document
>         viewport)
>
> [...]
>
> > Thanks for doing this,
>
> Thanks for the discussion - I'd like to come to a final version very
> soon, to not delay Sébastiens work (too much).
>
> Cheers,
> Christoph



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