Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: More general stuff - Please no ribbons/tabs!

I highly agree.  
During my "Microsoft lapse" and immersion into MS Office 2007 I found the great usefulness of the 
inventive interface.  I'm absolutely against creating a mimic of commercial interface--I think we 
can do better.  While the ribbon and tab interfaces are great I like to think they provide some 
pointers toward a better UI, not a goal.
 
Besides "ribbons/tabs" another "pointer" is Adobe's docked workspace in CS5:
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/photoshop/cs/using/WS3021052C-107A-42bd-B64E-D658875592AF.html
 
One specific suggestion I have is for the toolbar "click-points" (the section of the ribbon you 
click to switch the active section or manipulate it) to be near the document work space, rather 
than furthest away like MS ribbons.  That creates less mouse movement between document text and 
tool access.
 
--Jared

> > > Hillar Liiv <liivhillar@gmail.com> 3/11/2011 5:34 AM >>>
Hey,

If no ribbons and toolbar solution as it is now are not solutions, then what
is?
http://t6uni.deviantart.com/art/OOo-mockup-181260508
or
http://pauloup.deviantart.com/gallery/28216273#/d37dxdr
Whats wrong with these solutions? Table/Graphic bar can appear when clicking
certain object.
It's better when the toolbars allways take same space and don't resize if
you click to different thing  / different toolbar appears. That's why ribbon
is good.

Hillar


2011/3/10 Christopher Stark <christopherstark@gmx.de>

> Oh no,
>
> please no such "ribbons" like in M$EUR Office!!
>
> In my opinion the best solution is already implemented in LibreOffice
> and should be improved:
>
>    * The menu bar with main functionality always stays in the same position
>    * If I click into a table the table-bar appears
>    * If I click on a graphic the graphic-bar appears
>    * If I click into a bullet-point list the bullet-point-bar appears
>
> This is way more effective than the M$-variant where the user has to
> click on ribbons/tabs all the time and never knows if the required
> function hides behind "Review", "Insert" or "Design"...
>
> Regards
> Christopher
>
>
>
>
>
> Am 10.03.2011 07:34, schrieb Hillar Liiv:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Where is going LibreOffice? I think it is pointless to argue now about
> > shadow or whatever. First thing whta we need to do is to make future
> design
> > of LibreOffice, one and only mockup, where developers can look how it
> should
> > look alike and then take their decisions. And I think that should be our
> > next goal. What point it is to make 2 or 4 sided shadow now if we don't
> know
> > where LibreOffice is going.
> >
> > Some mockup/design examples:
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Renaissance/Design_Proposals_for_%E2%80%9CAccessing_Functionality%E2%80%9D#Design_Proposals_Submitted
> > http://pauloup.deviantart.com/gallery/28216273
> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/libre_office_ribbon_mockup_by_usrnametaken-d375abm.png
> > http://t6uni.deviantart.com/art/OOo-mockup-181260508
> >
> > Other examples:
> > http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Selection_0212.png
> http://www.vistax64.com/attachments/vista-news/13041d1243273201-office-2010-technical-preview-screenshots-win7-7127.jpg
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsMD9QCiMtg&feature=player_embedded
> >
> > If we don't do this, then it is taking much more time developers to make
> > things work.
> >
> > (And a lot of people have told me that they don't use
> OpenOffice/LibreOffice
> > beacuase they don't like how it looks.)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Hillar
>
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