Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: More general stuff

Hi Paulo, hi Hillar, all!

Am Donnerstag, den 10.03.2011, 10:52 -0300 schrieb Paulo José:
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Renaissance/Design_Proposals_for_%E2%80%9CAccessing_Functionality%E2%80%9D#Design_Proposals_Submitted
>
> Wow, This is full of love! What did happen to these guys and their ideas? Where are they? :O

Great stuff, isn't it? We did this "Design Proposal Session" for
Renaissance - and this has been an amazing time, since I had the chance
to work with the guys at Hamburg for a few days within their office when
we prepared this effort. Pretty much fun!

Concerning the "what did happen to these guys". Well, some of those are
on this mailing list (which I'm really happy about). And to some, who
stopped activities concerning OOo some time ago, I've send an invitation
mail ... part of the first Kick-Off step named "Send Invitation to
Interested Parties". Unfortunately, only very few replied :-\

The ideas: Some of them went into the Renaissance prototype that got
famous for (people thought so) re-implementation of the Ribbon / Fluent
concept by Microsoft. Unfortunately, many tiny but great ideas had to be
postponed, because OOo wasn't ready yet ... so you may find stuff like
the "Keyboard Command Invocation" that is pretty similar to your mockup
once to be found at OMG Ubuntu:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Proposal_by_Andreas_Schuderer#Keyboard_Command_Invocation

So personally, I consider this collection still a great resource to
think about interaction improvements - it had been mostly created by the
community. If you look more closely, the major concepts are very
similar ... but the real potential is in the additional "small" ideas.

> On 10-03-2011 03:34, Hillar Liiv wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Where is going LibreOffice? I think it is pointless to argue now about
> > shadow or whatever. First thing whta we need to do is to make future design
> > of LibreOffice, one and only mockup, where developers can look how it should
> > look alike and then take their decisions. And I think that should be our
> > next goal. What point it is to make 2 or 4 sided shadow now if we don't know
> > where LibreOffice is going.

[ ... Mockups and Design Examples ... ]

> > (And a lot of people have told me that they don't use OpenOffice/LibreOffice
> > beacuase they don't like how it looks.)

Got it. But I think we have to differentiate between "how it looks" and
"how it behaves". Most of the statements by those users, and the mockups
you've referred to combine these issues. But, from experience we know,
that it is better to separate then in the very first step. For example,
that is why we've asked in the Design Proposal Collection (see above) to
not use fancy effects, but simply geometric drawings. Vice versa, I
would like to separate (in the very first step) visual appearance and
behavioral aspects.

Of course, concerning the visual appearance, I totally share your
thoughts - we should deliver something consistent. If we have a clear
vision, the easier it is to explain / provide to the development. And as
far as I can see, the current motif collection is already an important
step in the right direction ... for all kinds of LibreOffice related
visual artwork.

Cheers,
Christoph


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