Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Java nightmare & FAQ wiki-page

Oh, I'm sure there are myriads and myriads of tools that are much
better for presentations as you say.  Trouble is, regardless of how
good the tool is, how wonderful the coding that went into it and how
sterling the values of the project that creates it, the overarching
question for me wil always be, "Can I use it?"  If the answer is "no"
then, it doesn't really matter how good that package is.  From my
point of view it's useless.  Now, if a technically inferior package
with what many perceive as execrable values held by those who produced
it answers the question with a resounding "yes" then, I fear it
sprouts a set of the wings angelic and soars to the very top of my
best of the best list.  It may not have all the great features, run on
as many platforms ETC. ETC. but, by God, I can use it and that makes
all the difference in the world.

Alex M


On 8/29/12, Tom Davies <tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi :)
> I think of OpenOffice under Apache as a brother or sister.  We fight and
> grumble about each other but we both do better when we work together.
> Moving from one to the other and then maybe back again later is much less
> hassle than moving to something with a completely opposite ethos on so many
> things.
>
> As for presentation software i think there are better alternatives that make
> Impress and PowerPoint.  I'm not sure how usable they are.  The Users List
> occasionally makes suggestions but i've never taken note of what they
> suggest.
>
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
> --- On Wed, 29/8/12, Alex Midence <alex.midence@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Alex Midence <alex.midence@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Java nightmare & FAQ wiki-page
> To: "Tom Davies" <tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk>
> Cc: accessibility@global.libreoffice.org, "Tom Randall"
> <kf6ddt@comcast.net>
> Date: Wednesday, 29 August, 2012, 19:22
>
> Hi,
>
> Sorry to hear you are having such a time of it.  I don't know how open
> you are to this suggestion but, I've had success with Open Office in
> Windows.  Libreoffice has not worked for me.  I use Jaws and NVDA.  I
> have never used Supernova so, I don't know how it will react but
> Openoffice 3.6 (I think that's the latest release), worked ok in
> writer.  Jaws even read Writer ok.  NVDA did just wonderfully with it.
>  Calc was usable in NVDA but not in Jaws so, I don't know how it'll do
> in Supernova.  Impress was totally unusable pretty much all around.
> It was a bummer for me.  I'm a corporate trainer.  I get up in front
> of groups of people with presentations up on a projecter and gas away
> at them about this and that.  Thus far, I hate to say it but Microsoft
> Powerpoint is the best and most accessible presentation product for
> someone in my situation.  Impress has yet to Impress me in either
> Libre or Open Office.
>
> hth,
> Alex M
>
>
>
> On 8/29/12, Tom Davies <tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > Hi :)
> > I am not sure if Tom Randall is on this list.  You guys seem to have
> > solved
> > a lot of these java issues so i thought forwarding the thread here just
> > in
> > case you can help hi8m where others can't.
> >
> > Also i made a rough wiki-page that is intended to help people solve java
> > issues.
> > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Java
> > I think it might need sub-pages to deal with issues such as the bridge.
> > If
> > you are able to radically rewrite the wiki-page to make it useful and
> > need
> > me to make extra sub-pages then please just let me know through this
> > list.
> > It sometimes takes me a couple of days to react so my apologies for being
> > so
> > slack!  If you are new to wiki-editing then i might be able to help with
> > formatting and other issues.
> > Regards from
> > Tom :)
> >
> >
> > --- On Mon, 27/8/12, Tom Randall <kf6ddt@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Bob and all.
> >
> > I've been through the wringer on this and have still not got much of
> > anywhere.  It seems some people have major problems with this and some
> > just
> > don't seem to.  I spent well over an hour going through the steps listed
> > on
> > bugzilla that were supposed to fix this, e.g. uninstalling java
> > completely,
> > cleaning the registry, installing the new java, setting the javahome
> > variable and path, re-installing the JAB, etc. etc.
> >
> > This did sort of fix my problem, LO at least no longer says that my JRE
> > is
> > defective when I try to enable accessibility.  However from what I can
> > tell
> > the accessibility is still not working correctly.  Supernova still does
> > not
> > read my menus or the state of checkboxes.  NVDA doesn't either so I know
> > it
> > is not a Supernova problem.  I have no idea what to do at this point and
> > am
> > frankly about to give up on this.  Don't misunderstand me, the folks on
> > this
> > list have been very helpful trying to help me figure this out.  However
> > while telling me that LO isn't the problem and that it's Windows and Java
> > is
> > all good and fine and I actually do believe this is the case, it does not
> > fix this and I still have a productivity suite that does not allow me to
> > be
> > productive.  This is not something I am fooling around with as some sort
> > of
> > project, I depend on it for getting paperwork done for my work.  I used
> > to
> > recommend this package for my students especially
> >  those on a limited income and I probably still will for the very few
> > tech
> > savvy ones I get but for most of them if you start talking to them about
> > Javahome variables and setting paths they're going to ask you what the
> > living hell you're blabbering about.  I swore I'd never give Microshaft
> > another dime for an Office package but that's what they use where I work
> > and
> > unless I get someplace with this pretty quick I may not have a choice.
> >
> > Apologies to the list for the rant, I realize this thing is a work in
> > progress and it's free and all that, however this is a serious issue for
> > me.
> > I really want to be able to offer people an alternative to shelling out
> > 150
> > bucks for a word processor and spreadsheet but I won't be able to unless
> > I
> > find a reasonable way to fix this.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: Bob McDonald
> > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 5:22 AM
> > To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> > Subject: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice and Java
> >
> > I'm having a bit of a bother with any version of Libreoffice installed
> > with
> > JRE 1.7 on Windows 7.
> >
> > Libreoffice crashes on start with any version of Java JRE greater than
> > 1.6.
> > If I go back to 1.6 I'm O.K.
> >
> > Anyone else having issues?
> >
> > If so and this is a new bug, what do you want to see?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> > Bob McDonald
> > Sr. IPAM Engineer
> >
> > (P) 267-236-0145
> > (F) 267-236-0016
> > (C) 215-370-3411
> > Bob.McDonald@PCN-inc.com<mailto:Bob.McDonald@pcn-inc.com>
> >
> > PCN
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> >
> >
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