Hi :) A lot of possibly easy wins, easy hacks, "low hanging fruit" or whatever people want to call them would be a huge advantage but it's worth posting about larger issues too even if you can't break them down into simpler problems. I visited those bug-reports and added comments where i understood enough to say something like, "i think this is an Accessibility issue. There is no flag or tag to identify problems that might affect Accessibility" Regards from Tom :) ________________________________ From: Christophe Strobbe <christophe.strobbe@esat.kuleuven.be> To: accessibility@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Fri, 29 July, 2011 16:43:56 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Should Writer export taggedPDF and bookmarks by default? Hi, The request is now registered as bug 39667 <https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39667>: "Enable accessible/tagged PDF export options by default". Three days ago I also registered * bug 39548 "Uncheck 'Allow row to break across pages and columns' by default" at <https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39548> * bug 39561 "Use svg:title, not svg:desc for XHTML img alt attribute" <https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39561> (with a fix for the export XSLT). These bugs are really "low-hanging fruit". I will continue thinking about other easy wins for accessibility. Best regards, Christophe At 15:26 29-7-2011, Alex Midence wrote:
Hi, I for one would be very glad to know that Libre Office has this feature. It is not a complete and sure fire way to make a document accessible but, I think it goes quite a long way. It will probably make the simpler pdf documents much easier to navigate for screen reader users right out of the box since the navigation quick keys which software like Jaws, Orca and NVDA have are pretty universal for jumping through documents. h for heading, t for table, p for paragraph, etc. In untagged pdf's these don't work. Thanks. Alex M On 7/26/11, Tom Davies <tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:Hi :) Yes, the more bug-reports the better. Especially very specific ones that might be fairly easy to fix. There is a fork called NeoOffice that is targeted at Macs and doesn't use the X system. Regards from Tom :) ________________________________ From: titengodocchio.it <info@titengodocchio.it> To: accessibility@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tue, 26 July, 2011 14:37:28 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Should Writer export taggedPDF and bookmarks by default? Hi guys, I'm reading this tread with great interest. I am not an expert-user of Libreoffice (the mac os X' version is still very inaccessible!), but I wonder if libreoffice is able to perform a "serious" accessibility check on PDF documents, not limited, of course, to the tags... If it isn't, it should be great if this feature could be implemented in this suite... Libreoffice needs really more work on accessibility (I tested the MAC OS X' version)... By the way, about two months ago we were talking about the "accessibility issues" in the mac OS X' version of LO. I would like to help to fix them..Do you think i should report them as bugs? Vincenzo. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christophe Strobbe" <christophe.strobbe@esat.kuleuven.be> To: <accessibility@global.libreoffice.org> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Should Writer export taggedPDF and bookmarks by default?Hi Tom, At 14:44 26-7-2011, Tom Davies wrote:Hi :) Can you post a bug-report about it? http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReportSure.Perhaps add "[wishlist]" to the subject-line?OK, I did not know that tag existed.I think post the bug-report now rather than leaving it. Any small improvement in accessibility should be a priority in my opinion. Sometimes the defaults are not really thought about and are easy to change which helps new devs learn how to do coding :) A good win for everyone. Is there a down-side to having Pdfs tagged by default? What does the tagged option do?"Tagged PDF contains information about the structure of the document contents. This can help to display the document on devices with different screens, and when using screen reader software. " (<http://help.libreoffice.org/Common/Export_as_PDF#Tagged_PDF>) Exporting an inaccessible document as "tagged PDF" may give people the impression that a document is accessible when they do only a superficial check (e.g. Adobe Reader's so-called accessibility check only checks whether the PDF is tagged or not). I would also want to avoid that authors get the false idea that checking "tagged PDF" is all they need to do to produced accessible PDF. (Although I doubt that changing the default setting will make a difference to this type of authors.) Best regards, ChristopheRegards from Tom :) ________________________________ From: Christophe Strobbe <christophe.strobbe@esat.kuleuven.be> To: accessibility@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tue, 26 July, 2011 12:28:35 Subject: [libreoffice-accessibility] Should Writer export tagged PDF and bookmarks by default? Hi, I have been thinking about ways to improve accessible authoring in LibreOffice Writer. As far as I know, Writer (in OpenOffice.org and in LibreOffice) is the only open source office software that can export tagged PDF, which is important for accessibility. When you open the PDF Options dialog (File -> Export as PDF...), the options "Tagged PDF" and "Export bookmarks" on the General tab and the option "Bookmarks and page" on the Initial View tab are unchecked by default. When you check them, they remain checked for later export commands. However, wouldn't it be better if these options were checked by default? Checking these options does not magically make your PDF documents accessible, because that depends on the quality of the ODF source. So should we request this feature now or should we wait until an accessibility checker for Writer becomes available? Best regards, Christophe-- Christophe Strobbe
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