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Hi :)
A lot of possibly easy wins, easy hacks, "low hanging fruit" or whatever people 
want to call them would be a huge advantage but it's worth posting about larger 
issues too even if you can't break them down into simpler problems.  

I visited those bug-reports and added comments where i understood enough to say 
something like, "i think this is an Accessibility issue.  There is no flag or 
tag to identify problems that might affect Accessibility"
Regards from
Tom :)

From: Christophe Strobbe <>
Sent: Fri, 29 July, 2011 16:43:56
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Should Writer export taggedPDF and 
bookmarks by default?


The request is now registered as bug 39667 
<>: "Enable accessible/tagged 
PDF export options by default".

Three days ago I also registered
* bug 39548 "Uncheck 'Allow row to break across pages and columns' by default" 
at <>
* bug 39561 "Use svg:title, not svg:desc for XHTML img alt attribute" 
<> (with a fix for the export 
These bugs are really "low-hanging fruit".

I will continue thinking about other easy wins for accessibility.

Best regards,


At 15:26 29-7-2011, Alex Midence wrote:

I for one would be very glad to know that Libre Office has this
feature.  It is not a complete and sure fire way to make a document
accessible but, I think it goes quite a long way.  It will probably
make the simpler pdf documents much easier to navigate for screen
reader users right out of the box since the navigation quick keys
which software like Jaws, Orca and NVDA have are pretty universal for
jumping through documents.  h for heading, t for table, p for
paragraph, etc.  In untagged pdf's these don't work.

Alex M

On 7/26/11, Tom Davies <> wrote:
Hi :)
Yes, the more bug-reports the better.  Especially very specific ones that
be fairly easy to fix.  There is a fork called NeoOffice that is targeted at
Macs and doesn't use the X system.
Regards from
Tom :)

From: <>
Sent: Tue, 26 July, 2011 14:37:28
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Should Writer export taggedPDF and
bookmarks by default?

Hi guys,
I'm reading this tread with great interest.
I am not an expert-user of Libreoffice (the mac os X' version is still very
inaccessible!), but I wonder if libreoffice is able to perform a "serious"
accessibility check on PDF documents, not limited, of course, to the tags...
If it isn't, it should be great if this feature could be implemented in this
Libreoffice needs really more work on accessibility (I tested the MAC OS X'
By the way, about two months ago we were talking about the "accessibility
issues" in the mac OS X' version of LO. I would like to help to fix them..Do
think i should report them as bugs?

----- Original Message ----- From: "Christophe Strobbe"
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Should Writer export taggedPDF and
bookmarks by default?

Hi Tom,

At 14:44 26-7-2011, Tom Davies wrote:
Hi :) Can you post a bug-report about it?


Perhaps add "[wishlist]" to the subject-line?

OK, I did not know that tag existed.

I think post the bug-report now rather than leaving it.  Any small
in accessibility should be a priority in my opinion. Sometimes the
defaults are
not really thought about and are easy to change which helps new devs learn
to do coding :)  A good win for everyone.

Is there a down-side to having Pdfs tagged by default?  What does the
option do?

"Tagged PDF contains information about the structure of the document
This can help to display the document on devices with different screens,
when using screen reader software. "

Exporting an inaccessible document as "tagged PDF" may give people the
impression that a document is accessible when they do only a superficial
(e.g. Adobe Reader's so-called accessibility check only checks whether the
is tagged or not).
I would also want to avoid that authors get the false idea that checking
"tagged PDF" is all they need to do to produced accessible PDF. (Although I

doubt that changing the default setting will make a difference to this type

Best regards,


Regards from Tom :)

From: Christophe Strobbe <>
Sent: Tue, 26 July, 2011 12:28:35
Subject: [libreoffice-accessibility] Should Writer export tagged PDF and
bookmarks by default?
Hi, I have been thinking about ways to improve accessible authoring in
LibreOffice Writer. As far as I know, Writer (in and in
LibreOffice) is the only open source office software that can export
tagged PDF,
which is important for accessibility. When you open the PDF Options dialog
-> Export as PDF...), the options "Tagged PDF" and "Export bookmarks" on
General tab and the option "Bookmarks and page" on the Initial View tab
unchecked by default. When you check them, they remain checked for later
commands. However, wouldn't it be better if these options were checked by
default? Checking these options does not magically make your PDF documents

accessible, because that depends on the quality of the ODF source. So
should we
request this feature now or should we wait until an accessibility checker
Writer becomes available? Best regards, Christophe

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