Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Should Writer export taggedPDF and bookmarks by default?

Hi,

I for one would be very glad to know that Libre Office has this
feature.  It is not a complete and sure fire way to make a document
accessible but, I think it goes quite a long way.  It will probably
make the simpler pdf documents much easier to navigate for screen
reader users right out of the box since the navigation quick keys
which software like Jaws, Orca and NVDA have are pretty universal for
jumping through documents.  h for heading, t for table, p for
paragraph, etc.  In untagged pdf's these don't work.

Thanks.
Alex M



On 7/26/11, Tom Davies <tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi :)
> Yes, the more bug-reports the better.  Especially very specific ones that
> might
> be fairly easy to fix.  There is a fork called NeoOffice that is targeted at
> Macs and doesn't use the X system.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: titengodocchio.it <info@titengodocchio.it>
> To: accessibility@global.libreoffice.org
> Sent: Tue, 26 July, 2011 14:37:28
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Should Writer export taggedPDF and
> bookmarks by default?
>
> Hi guys,
> I'm reading this tread with great interest.
> I am not an expert-user of Libreoffice (the mac os X' version is still very
> inaccessible!), but I wonder if libreoffice is able to perform a "serious"
> accessibility check on PDF documents, not limited, of course, to the tags...
> If it isn't, it should be great if this feature could be implemented in this
> suite...
> Libreoffice needs really more work on accessibility (I tested the MAC OS X'
> version)...
> By the way, about two months ago we were talking about the "accessibility
> issues" in the mac OS X' version of LO. I would like to help to fix them..Do
> you
> think i should report them as bugs?
>
>      Vincenzo.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christophe Strobbe"
> <christophe.strobbe@esat.kuleuven.be>
> To: <accessibility@global.libreoffice.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Should Writer export taggedPDF and
> bookmarks by default?
>
>
> > Hi Tom,
> >
> > At 14:44 26-7-2011, Tom Davies wrote:
> > > Hi :) Can you post a bug-report about it?
> > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport
> >
> > Sure.
> >
> > > Perhaps add "[wishlist]" to the subject-line?
> >
> > OK, I did not know that tag existed.
> >
> > > I think post the bug-report now rather than leaving it.  Any small
> > > improvement
> > > in accessibility should be a priority in my opinion. Sometimes the
> > > defaults are
> > > not really thought about and are easy to change which helps new devs learn
> > > how
> > > to do coding :)  A good win for everyone.
> > >
> > > Is there a down-side to having Pdfs tagged by default?  What does the
> > > tagged
> > > option do?
> >
> > "Tagged PDF contains information about the structure of the document
> > contents.
> > This can help to display the document on devices with different screens,
> > and
> > when using screen reader software. "
> > (<http://help.libreoffice.org/Common/Export_as_PDF#Tagged_PDF>)
> >
> > Exporting an inaccessible document as "tagged PDF" may give people the
> > impression that a document is accessible when they do only a superficial
> > check
> > (e.g. Adobe Reader's so-called accessibility check only checks whether the
> > PDF
> > is tagged or not).
> > I would also want to avoid that authors get the false idea that checking
> > "tagged PDF" is all they need to do to produced accessible PDF. (Although I
> >
> > doubt that changing the default setting will make a difference to this type
> > of
> > authors.)
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Christophe
> >
> >
> > > Regards from Tom :)
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Christophe Strobbe <christophe.strobbe@esat.kuleuven.be>
> > > To: accessibility@global.libreoffice.org
> > > Sent: Tue, 26 July, 2011 12:28:35
> > > Subject: [libreoffice-accessibility] Should Writer export tagged PDF and
> > > bookmarks by default?
> > > Hi, I have been thinking about ways to improve accessible authoring in
> > > LibreOffice Writer. As far as I know, Writer (in OpenOffice.org and in
> > > LibreOffice) is the only open source office software that can export
> > > tagged PDF,
> > > which is important for accessibility. When you open the PDF Options dialog
> > > (File
> > > -> Export as PDF...), the options "Tagged PDF" and "Export bookmarks" on
> > > the
> > > General tab and the option "Bookmarks and page" on the Initial View tab
> > > are
> > > unchecked by default. When you check them, they remain checked for later
> > > export
> > > commands. However, wouldn't it be better if these options were checked by
> > > default? Checking these options does not magically make your PDF documents
> > >
> > > accessible, because that depends on the quality of the ODF source. So
> > > should we
> > > request this feature now or should we wait until an accessibility checker
> > > for
> > > Writer becomes available? Best regards, Christophe
> >
> > -- Christophe Strobbe
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