Re: [us-marketing] NA DVD - Americas DVD proposal

On 02/24/2011 02:47 PM, Marc Paré wrote:
> Hi Tim, Drew, Daniel
>
> I just thought that I would start a new thread to continue our 
> discussions as it was getting a little too dispersed along different 
> threads.
>
> Tim and Drew -- There is a section on the disk for additions open 
> source files (Extras section)[1] and we spoke about having Tim's page 
> of FOSS links on that section. You may be interested in this link 
> about FOSS directories and FOSS disks with software in ISO formats[2]
Give me [Tim] the links to what FOSS would like physically on the DVD 
space and also any text/link combination that they feel needs to be on 
the DVD pages.

> If Daniel joins the team, we will have all EN, ES (Daniel), FR 
> (Marc/Sophie, I believe) taking care of language and 
> translation/localisation. I would suggest we apply translation only 
> from the EN language to keep things as simple as possible rather than 
> localise ES, FR -- extensions/template will of course differ.
I will be running a Google translation, for the first look at the 
English to Spanish.  Then I will make up the actual pages and the 
Spanish-page-links [index-es.html, install-es.html, extras-es.html, and 
so forth].  Then I will hand over the pages to whoever will be doing the 
work to make it a good translation for Spanish Users.

> Extensions/templates -- if the ES, FR team members come up with 
> recommendations, these should be included, and, if this has an impact 
> on the disk space, the "Extras" section will see the removal of some 
> of the extra software to make space for them.
If I get the links to the Spanish and French language extensions and 
templates, I will download them and make sure all the pages and links 
will be matched before it is handed over.  I can work on some way for 
the daily work, or on some schedule, be placed on a portion of my domain 
so the Spanish team members can use it for comments and we can keep 
abreast of the work.

I know the big issue I have is the lack of documentation for the 
non-English users.  Is there any Spanish OOo documentation that we could 
use till LibreOffice gets that far?  I am using OOo's English Guides to 
substitute for the one that have not been made yet for LibreOffice.

Can we get some Spanish members of the http://es.libreoffice.org site to 
work on the translation of the documents if there is none currently 
available?  There does not look like any listed on that site.

I want to do the Spanish and French DVD pages as a separate DVDs to 
start, then merge them into one after the issues are worked out for each 
language to run properly.  I will be making the DVD folder format to 
make the merger as easy to add a small navigation bar to each page to 
switch back-n-forth between languages.

> Windows installations account for 90% of our user base. We need to 
> make sure that the window installer works as flawlessly as possible.

There will be NO auto-run feature. MS disabled most of its ability to 
auto run from a CD or DVD if it is not a Video or music disc.  The way I 
hope it is set up as, you click on the install .exe file and you are 
asked if you want to save it or run it.  It should run fine from the 
DVD.  The language and help packages should be the same way.  I 
currently include English, Spanish, and French packs if available 
online.  If there are any other ones, like Brazilian Portuguese that 
should be part of the All Americas DVD, I need to know this so it can be 
made a part of the DVD for all language versions.  I forgot ones like 
Puerto Rico and Cuba Spanish for the North American list.

> Long-term maintenance of the DVD and updates: As Drew pointed out we 
> will have a need for some kind of team structure for the update and 
> maintenance of the DVD. We should endeavour to find members committed 
> to act as maintainers of the DVD as LibreOffice goes through version 
> upgrades as well as find ways to facilitate the easy updating of files 
> and translations on the disk. -- We will need a few members to round 
> out the DVD team. We should have at least 2 active member for each 
> language and of course members who have enough developer knowledge for 
> the coding aspect of the DVD project.

Long-term maintenance:
Well I will be doing my part.  Yesterday morning I got the notice that 
it went from 3.3.0 to 3.3.1.  Before the afternoon, I had the Install 
Page updated and the online pages as well for the changes to the new 
version.  It took a few hours longer to place the updated install files 
onto my online site.  10 minutes to download but several hours at 
120MB/s to upload to my domain's folders.  I cannot host the ISO file[s] 
due to GoDaddy's rules. Thanks to other possible options, I will not 
need to.

I will still host the lungstrom.com "demo" pages as a backup and test of 
the changes to the DVD once it gets up and going with all the needed 
languages for the North American Community DVD, then North/Central/South 
Americas Community DVD.

> ISO availability. We should approach the TDF to see if the DVD could 
> be hosted on its servers just as the German LibreOffice-Box DVD ISO. 
> Otherwise, find other hosting service for the DVD.
>
> Finally, the disk has so far been called the NA (North American) DVD. 
> If it looks like the NA disk could satisfy as a North/Central/South 
> American DVD that we may want to reconsider relabelling it as the 
> Americas DVD. This DVD would satisfy all of North/Central/South 
> American needs.
>
> Cheers
>
> Marc
>
> [1] 
> http://lungstrom.com/libreoffice-dvd-project/LibreOffice-disc-North-American-DVD/extras.html
> [2] 
> http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3925806/Open-Source-Software-Top-59-Sites.htm
I think we should add the lines

North American Community DVD
in English, Français, and Español.


Then we can start adding more languages, but that will start reducing 
space for the Extra software in the Extras [ formerly Tools page on the 
German DVD].  I can reduce the files in the template-files folder and 
just use the ones that are .oxt formatted.  Though, I know that there 
are templates in French and Spanish that can be found as separate files 
easier that finding the .oxt templates in those languages.

We will also need extensions in French and Spanish that are easy to find 
in English, similar to the types on the top of the Extension Page.  We 
also will need Gallery Extensions like are listed in the Artwork Page.  
We needs these to be fair to the other languages on the DVD.  We need to 
have as much "stuff" on the DVD in French and Spanish as we do in English.

So this is my opinion on what is needed to get the English Only DVD to 
become multi language.  You may notice that I added the following to the 
Install Page under the Windows option[s]:


*Windows* ** *Windows* ^® 	*Windows - all language* 
<http://lungstrom.com/libreoffice-dvd-project/LibreOffice-disc-North-American-DVD/LibreOffice-Install-Files/Windows/LibO_3.3.1_Win_x86_install_all_lang.exe>
Windows - multi language 
<http://lungstrom.com/libreoffice-dvd-project/LibreOffice-disc-North-American-DVD/LibreOffice-Install-Files/Windows/LibO_3.3.1_Win_x86_install_multi.exe>

"install_multi" version for a selection
of commonly-chosen languages, or
the "install_all" version for the full
range of available languages
	Online Instructions 
<http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/installation/windows/>

PDF copy of the Online page 
<http://lungstrom.com/libreoffice-dvd-project/LibreOffice-disc-North-American-DVD/documentation-PDF-and-other/Installation_of_LibreOffice_on_Windows.pdf> 



The text came from the LibreOffice.org web site.  I do not know if the 
Windows install includes both Spanish and French dictionaries like my 
Ubuntu install does, but it could be useful to note that.  Also there 
are extensions, templates and artwork galleries that are installed with 
the packages.  These should be notes as well.  I do not remember what 
was or not, since I always add some from a list I keep on my desktop.

The Online Instructions like to the LibreOffice.org site, not the German 
site as the originally did.  The PDF is an exact printout of those pages 
to PDF instead of paper and placed on the DVD[ [site for demo as well].  
I do not have a set of English "portable version" instructions, so I 
have to leave it as a German site with translation.

Well, that is all from my end.

Timothy Lungstrom
Elmira New York, USA
Retired from the computer field due to a severe back injury and three 
strokes.
Actually it was my doctors telling me [ordering me] to retire "or else. 
. . .".

Any member of the team[s] who will be doing the work on the DVD, I can
give my private email address, full mailing address and phone number, so I
can be contacted off the list, my "snail mail", and by phone who has my area
local to.  I have most of the USA and Canada, plus some other parts of North
America local to my digital land line.

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