Re: [libreoffice-website] updated infrastructure calculation

NAS for $1500, is 10 times what I have to spend on backup drives or 
internal systems, when I can get the money for equipment.

I am glad Florian and others have good contacts to get the needed 
equipment for keeping the servers supplied with the needed space. We 
could use all the help we can get with reducing the costs of both the 
equipment and the monthly costs of service.

For us local/regional people, with little ability to get company 
sponsorships, we rely on our own pockets to get the needed things to do 
the work and do the marketing.  My pockets are based on a fixed income 
from having to quit working due to a debilitating set of injuries that 
took me out of the job market and into a wheelchair half the time.

The local work community is having more and more business close their 
doors or have their businesses barely keeping open.  The only new jobs 
in the county are in the retail "mega malls" that opened up outside of 
the city proper.  We just had one of our biggest "non-health-related" 
employers close its doors increasing the unemployment rate in the county 
by 1 or 2 percent.

So getting local sponsorship for anything is a real up-hill battle.


On 11/17/2012 01:38 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
> I know there is a company where you can get a 12tb NAS for 1,500 USD 
> its more along the lines for home use but coudl use it to backup 
> remote machines. It uses freeNAS.
>
> Florian a great company to document To get NAS server from for 
> colocation is IX systems. they produce the above machine for home 
> users, but they have more enterprise grade NAS servers.
>
> On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 5:38 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P 
> <webmaster@krackedpress.com <mailto:webmaster@krackedpress.com>> wrote:
>
>
>     Thanks, I was hoping that was the case.
>
>     I do not have any "true" Network Attached Storage device that is
>     not a server plus drive[s].  I could use them, but the costs for a
>     fixed income person is, well let us say that adding internal SATA
>     drives and USB drives are more withing my budget than a "true" NAS
>     set of devices.  It would help with my backups and having access
>     to my data from all my systems [desktop, laptop, tablet] visa the
>     wired and secured wireless network.
>
>     How much storage is needed for the TDF/LO "network" of devices for
>     online access though the different web pages.  I know that the
>     "http://downloadarchive.documentfoundation.org/"; section of the
>     storage needs could be 4+ GB per release version [alpha, beta, RC,
>     or final release]  That adds up really fast over the release
>     cycle.  Then there are all of the other files stored on TDF/LO
>     servers that are a part of the Wiki pages and such.  Then there is
>     the . . .  Then there is the . . . .
>
>     I think it would do "us" good if we could be given a grant to
>     double or quad the amount of storage that TDF/LO currently uses.
>     Maybe then it would last another 2 years +/- before more is needed.
>
>
>     On 11/17/2012 11:09 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
>
>         I think hes talking about NAS server.
>
>         On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 5:08 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P
>         <webmaster@krackedpress.com
>         <mailto:webmaster@krackedpress.com>
>         <mailto:webmaster@krackedpress.com
>         <mailto:webmaster@krackedpress.com>>> wrote:
>
>
>             What do you mean by "invest in large storage"?
>
>             Are you talking about adding a larger set of drives to the
>             servers, or are you talking about new servers and storage
>         devices
>             to be added to the current ones TDF uses?
>
>             How many TeraBytes of storage do TDF/LO have access to
>         currently
>             over how many systems?
>
>             How many TBs are you talking about increasing to around this
>             coming summer?
>
>             These figures would be nice to have when you "talk" about
>         budgets
>             and storage needs.
>
>             -------------------
>
>             Of course, I think you can never have too much storage
>         capacity.
>             My Ubuntu desktop has 5-TBs internally [1-TB, 2-TB, 2-TB]
>         and 4-TB
>             externally via USB drives [2-TB, 2-TB].  I have almost 4-TB of
>             files and data that the 2 external drives are used for
>         backup, but
>             I keep increasing the number of files I store on my
>         desktop.  An
>             example is the fact that I rip all my CDs to MP3 files and now
>             have over 100 hours of Christmas music on my desktop for the
>             holidays.  I have almost every album that "The Carpenters"
>             recorded as well.  Then there are the other audio and
>         video files
>             I love to watch on the computer, or streaming through the
>         blu-ray
>             player.
>
>             SO, I am a advocate for as much drive space for active and
>         back up
>             files as one can afford.
>
>
>             --------------------
>
>             On 11/17/2012 08:27 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote:
>
>                 Hello,
>
>                 I'd like to present a new infrastructure calculation.
>         Reason
>                 is that we might get sponsoring of hardware in the
>         first or
>                 second quarter of 2013, so a complete move to fully
>                 virtualized services is planned for spring or summer
>         of next year.
>
>                 However, until then, we need to migrate to a recent
>         platform
>                 fulfilling our needs, with same hardware and same
>                 configuration, which is planned for the next weeks, and
>                 currently in the works for our web server already.
>
>                 Given that newer hardware is due again in about 6
>         months, it
>                 doesn't make much sense to invest in a large storage until
>                 then. Therefore, I attach an updated proposal of
>                 infrastructure costs. Feedback is welcome, I'd love to
>         make a
>                 budget proposal to the board soon. :)
>
>                 Thanks,
>                 Florian
>
>
>                 bilbo (EX6S)    79,00 €    base fee    149,00 €  setup fee
>                     39,00 €    GBit port
>                 kermit (EX6S)    79,00 €    base fee
>                     39,00 €    GBit port
>                     15,00 €    Flexipack for failover
>                     5,00 €    Failover-IP
>                 pumbaa (EX6S)    79,00 €    base fee    99,00 €
>          upgrade fee
>                     39,00 €    GBit port
>                 grisu (EX6S)    79,00 €    base fee
>                     39,00 €    GBit port
>                     15,00 €    Flexipack for subnet
>                     22,50 €    /27 subnet
>                 floyd (EX6S)    79,00 €    base fee    99,00 €
>          upgrade fee
>                     39,00 €    GBit port
>
>                 monthly        647,50 €
>                 yearly        7.770,00 €
>                 one-time fees        347,00 €
>
>
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