[libreoffice-website] Re: Modified website design proposal

Le 2010-11-01 18:07, Michael Wheatland a écrit :
> Christian,
>
> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 6:41 AM, Christian Lohmaier
> <lohmaier+ooofuture@googlemail.com>  wrote:
> > One of the bigger questionmarks comes with the "app-store" item -
> > similar with the themes - so this is kind of wishful thinking, as such
> > stuff doesn't exist yet, neither for OOo nor for LO
>
> Most linux distributions have what is commonly known now as an 'app
> store', you might know it as a deb or rpm repository.
> MS is developing one for windows and Apple has announced the Mac app
> store. I would expect that LibreOffice will feature on all of these
> Also, themes do exist, in their current form they are
> Tools->Options->Appearance and Tools->Options->View:Icon size and
> style. But yes I hope they develop rapidly in the future.

Actually, in this was spoken of in the marketing mailist. But not in the 
sense that this is "where you would go to get an application". App store 
has been vulgarized to mean a store where users go to purchase items. I 
would prefer to use "LibO Repository" if we are going to provide 
extensions, themes, templates etc. "LibO App Store" should be reserved 
for stores where users can browse and purchase a LibO package with 
documentation -- boxed sets; LibO shirts; LibO baseball caps etc. I 
think most people interpret a "repository" and and "App Store" this way.

> > But another thing that kind of irritates me is "Twitter support" - is
> > anyone doing this right now? Is it worth mentioning it? twitter is
> > kind of contrary to community-support (one asks a question, but all
> > benefit from the answer), with twitter my doubs are that it remains at
> > a personal level, only a small group of people have a benefit. similar
> > for facebook - I don't see how that would fit to support.
>
> Twitter messages are a matter of public record. Think of twitter as a
> message to everyone, replies to that message can also be tracked.
> I have heard some people refer to it as IRC Next Gen, because you can
> search for chat history very easily.
> On facebook you can make a group public and everyone logged in can see
> it, ie. http://www.facebook.com/libreoffice.org

So far, websites should include a link to Facebook, YouTube 
(instructional videos), and Twitter. These are a must. Young people use 
these service and LibO needs to have feeds from all three running on its 
site. Not only that, but LibO should also have someone manning these 
sites as well.

> > And I'm also sceptical about the news - espl. "Community news editors
> > should be used to search for articles at least one per week." - I
> > don't think this is a good thing for a news-feed section. There should
> > be genuine news, not news harvested from other sources. A "press
> > coverage" section or similar would be more appropirate for this kind
> > of stuff, but then again I don't quite see the need for such a high
> > frequency.
>
> One key aspect of a community website is frequently updating the site
> See: http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Importance-of-Updating-Your-Website-Frequently&id=3760486
> Major announcements such as new releases will feature prominently on
> the landing page (/)
> I like the idea of breaking up news into categories though.

We will need this to keep the website alive and have people come back 
for visits. There should be feeds of our site rcss and even for some 
sections of the site. If the site is dynamic, then people will talk 
about it and there will be some buzz about it and they will come in 
droves to visit. If the site is static, then people will only download 
the software and not return unless they need another download. Having a 
dynamic site should be the kind of site we need. We can use it to 
trumpet our accomplishments, hold national and international contests 
where using our software is used etc.

> > The difference legal/licence is not really clear to me
>
> Licence is the LGPL open source code licence that the LibreOffice
> product is distributed under
> Legal would cover things like trademark use, privacy policy and disclaimers.

This is better left to the SC. They will decide with member collaboration.

> > wording "why not OOo"  is suboptima, but of course I'm aware that is
> > just a concept, but talking bad about others should be prevented if
> > you can say the same thing in a more positive way, just did want to
> > mention it)
>
> I think we need to publicly address why we created LibreOffice as an
> alternative to the massively popular and successful OOo.

We should never use negative advertising. This is just not an option. It 
is simply improper and I would strongly advise not to do it.

> > A forum is never a robust form for discussion. Forums should be
> > avaoided at all cost. The medium for discussion are the mailinglists,
> > the place where results of those discussion, the outcome is preserved
> > is either the wiki or the real website (once it is available)
> >
> > I don't want to user forums for discussion, they are just not
> > comfortable enough for this. (and if you say: You can setup
> > email-reminders/notfication and reply via mail, then I say: Then you
> > can use a mailinglist from the very beginning)
>
> I guess we will have to agree to disagree. For infrequent conversation
> participants a mailing list can be overwhelming and contain a lot of
> info they do not care about, therefore information can be missed
> easily.
> Obviously a discussion that will have to be hashed out prior to any
> kind of launch.

I am new to the OOo and LibO groups. It looks like the mailists have a 
long tradition and this is where the debates and decisions are made. 
This is where the meeting of minds meet and clash, where there is 
consensus and dissent but without feeling targeted. This is where 
debates leading to a vote or hands up are made.

At first I had problems using the mailists but Florian has made 
arrangements for all types of discussion arenas. So, on the TDF/LibO 
site, we have at the choice of:

mailists-nntp (Gmane)-forums

... all of which are tied to each other and will post seamlessly from 
one to the other. (Sorry I can't find the forum site at this moment)

And of course there is the Wiki where teams can also discuss and planning.

Al of these discussion "forums" are readily available for members of the 
LibO and lend themselves quite well to the required transparency of groups.

> Thanks for all of your well considered feedback on the proposal.
> I hope this has addressed some of your concerns about the proposal and
> I would love to examine some specifications for other approaches.

Marc


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