Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Christian Lohmaier <
lohmaier+ooofuture@googlemail.com <lohmaier%2Booofuture@googlemail.com>>wrote:

> Hi Andrea, *,
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Andrea Pescetti
> <pescetti@openoffice.org> wrote:
> > Marc Paré wrote:
> >
> > A proper discussion would not fit the deadlines and tools the Document
> > Foundation has now: if a decision has to be taken now, it will miss the
> > bigger scope. If the Document Foundation must choose a tool that will be
> > flexible enough to rebuild all the current OpenOffice.org infrastructure
> > on it
>
> No. I strongly disagree. Not one tool that can do all.
> No. Really seriously Drupal can do some very impressive things and in years
> of using it, it does what is needed.  Its actually a revolutionary bit of
> software, you just need to know it beyond a demo on CMSreport.


> > (e.g.: OOo site; Extensions; TCM; QATrack),
>
> And even that: Duplicating the extensions site would be a waste of
> time and efforts. There are already two repositories, the OOo one, the
> FSF one. It would be bad if there would be another one, just for the
> sake of having it.
> LO should be compatible to OOo in that regard, Extensions should run
> on OOo, LO, other derivates, thus a dedicated site is a nogo.
>
> > then Drupal is that
> > tool; I can't imagine how to rebuild the Extensions site and all
> > processing in Silverstripe, for one.
>
> It would involve creating an appropriate module. But again, I'd not
> see that as a good idea.
> The extensions site has a different target user group, and a different
> contributers group, so I don't see any reason to try to cover it with
> the same tool that is used for the website.
>
> Very Likely any functionality you want in Drupal will just use one of the
7,000 available modules.  It's actually very hard to find something you
can't already do with Drupal very well.


> > 2) Moving to a database-based CMS can imply loss of traceability of
> > changes. The current CVS infrastructure, as bad as it can be, allows to
> > see a full log of changes very easily. Drupal has a killer feature here:
> > site settings can be exported to PHP code, shared among a distributed
> > development team through any revision control system (SVN, git,
> > whatever) and applied in a safe way to the running site. It is very
> > important that we are able to answer the question "Who enabled
> > this permission, when and why?"
>
> Why is that a killer feature of drupal, why do you assume you can't
> put silverstripe's configuration under version control?
> What makes you think silverstripe wouldn't have a change history for the
> pages?
>
> Drupal works very well to display change histories.  Lets look at how
Drupal handles a module / code project:
This is the homepage:
http://drupal.org/project/views

Take a look at the patch queue:

http://drupal.org/project/issues/search/views?status[]=8&status[]=13&status[]=14

Take a look at the issue queue:

http://drupal.org/project/issues/views?categories=All

Oh yes, there are actually people working on the project, so there are
issues in the queue.  But they get fixed because people can find them and
start working on them easily by browsing the system and looking at the
modules home page.  Having the discussion board integrated with supporting
the module helps get community feedback for testing and bug reports and
feature requests.  This interaction promotes collaboration and ensuring that
the project is guided by the needs of the community.

Lets look at another function the groups:

http://groups.drupal.org/nyc

This group is managed online and helps members coordinate activities for
training and promotes the project.

Lets look at the documentation for the API:

http://api.drupal.org/

This is well organized and automatically generated by doxygen talking to
Drupal.  NOtice the example modules, so teaching how to develop is
integrated with the communities development site.

LEts look at documenation wiki functionality:

http://drupal.org/documentation

This is created by the community using Drupal as a wiki.

This is a whole new product built using Drupal:

http://openatrium.com/

Drupal is amazingly flexible and is really a workhorse for web application
development, it just happens to be a rocking good, fast, reliable CMS.  No,
it isn't a slick out of the box as Silverstripe, but it has a lot more to
offer.




> > 3) How do you plan to implement translations? (from a visitor's point
> > of view, not technically). I mean, the current http://www.openoffice.org
> > site is in English only; you need to go to http://de.openoffice.org to
> > see content in German, but that one is a totally different site. On the
> > other hand, the Silverstripe demo (and of course Drupal too) seems to
> > support translation of the single pages: but is that what you want?
>
> Well, this is a reiteration of what has been discussed already. No, it
> is not *all* that we want. That's why I did put the subsites
> requirement on the list.
> But it is /part/ of what is wanted.
>
> > From
> > what I could see (pumbaa has been down for me for the last two hours)
>
> Yes, the machine (the host) was rebooted and the VM that hosts
> silverstripe wasn't restarted.
>
> ciao
> Christian
>
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